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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Laviduce and 8 others reacted to CimaGarahau for a topic
Analysis of the CATTB's modular armor attachments under impact loads, no idea if it got posted before. Also, Is https://emu.usahec.org down? I can't access it anymore.9 points -
United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
CimaGarahau and 6 others reacted to Clan_Ghost_Bear for a topic
Not too much new, but the first available picture of the Manned Weapon Station AFAIK.7 points -
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/09/06/us-army-scraps-abrams-tank-upgrade-unveils-new-modernization-plan/ M1A2 SEPv4 canned in favour of M1A3 (type-classified M1E3). Sounds a like AbramsX in some areas.7 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
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ATAC System demonstrator also known as "THUMPER" remotely firing the 140mm gun tube which got installed in 1992.6 points -
United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
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ATAC System Demonstrator also know as Thumper, to receive the 140mm gun tube and a functional rearm port, 1992. Warren Jones, right, project officer for the U.S. Army, instructs Oak Ridge National Laboratory staff on how an M1 Abrams tank operates in September 1992. From left are Dong-Soo Kwon, Carol Scott, Sam Meacham, Jim Hannah, and Katie Vandergriff. Katie Vandergriff and Jim Hannah helped develop the ATAC System Demonstrator's rearm port, they also developed the Future Armor Rearm System (FARS). Compared to it's first appearance (1988), Thumper received weight simulators in the turret, they also changed the mudguards? Or the turret was assembled on another M1A1 chassis. The XM291 gun got removed from the turret to change the gun tube, from the 120mm L/56 (6.75m) gun tube, to the 140mm L/48 (6.75m) gun tube to test the FARS with the new two-piece ATAC 140-mm ammunition. The ATAC System Demonstrator and the FARS are sitting together at Sierra Army Depot. Location: 40.2051086922686, -120.13611546011911 ATAC System Demonstrator with the 140mm gun tube and the FARS.6 points -
StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)
Laser Shark and 5 others reacted to SH_MM for a topic
Just some minor wheeled update: Negotiations on the purchase of the Schwerer Waffenträger Infanterie based (based on Boxer CRV) with Australia have started. An Australian delegation has visited Germany. The goal is to sign a government-to-government deal in 2023 and receive first vehicles by 2025. Overall 121 vehicles are to be purchased. A recent article written by authorized representative for the program in the German MoD detailed that the selection of the manned turret was a result of the vehicle commander somehow needing "direct visual contact and direct communication" to nearby infantry (apparently that is not possible when the commander has a hatch in the hull ). As the Boxer CRV is a reconnaissance variant based on an IFV variant, it is designed with capacity for infantry (dismounting scouts), but the German Jäger will not have dismounts on the Schwerer Waffenträger Infanterie... so they are trying to come up with some sort of use for the rear compartment such as carrying UAVs (which can be and are already carried in lighter vehicles at greater distance from the front line) or "UGVs armed for example with an autocannon" (currently market available UGVs with autocannon - unless talking about an anemic solution with the M230LF - are too heavy and too large to be carried inside the Boxer and have enough endurance - e.g. Milrem Type X UGV: 600 km - to be drive on their own). Also German media reported (based on "industry sources") that an alternative offer - likely from KMW - with full production in Germany supposedly was only half as expensive. The Caracal (a variant of the Enok 4.8 AB from ACS Armoured Car Systems offered in cooperation with Rheinmetall and Mercedes-Benz) has been selected as the new lightly armored vehicle airborne for the airborne units of the Dutch and German armies. At the moment 1,504 vehicles (1,000 for Germany and 504 for the Netherlands) have been ordered, but there is an option for a further 1,500 (1,000 for Germany and 500 for the Netherlands). Deliveries are to start 2025 at a rate of 300 vehicles (with 200 going to Germany and 100 to the Netherlands each year). The Netherlands have also purchased 138 armor kits for the Caracal; there are currently no infos on how many Germany has purchased/will purchase. The Caracal beat the GRF from KMW & Defenture. Originally GDELS also competed with the Merlin, but withdrew due to it being to heavy for the weight limit. As per the German concept for the Medium Forces (Mittlere Kräfte), at least some Marder IFVs are to be replaced with a Boxer IFV model. The latest plans suggest that a total of 148 Boxer IFVs should be procured. Supposedly the Army favors an unmanned solution, so there won't be any turret commonality with the Schwerer Waffenträger Infanterie. Germany also remains comitted to the procurement of a wheeled SPG; the stated requirement is for 160 vehicles. Currently the maturity of the Boxer-based RCH 155 is being tested with (based on rumor mill) rather positive feedback, but also some minor improvement ideas that are being implemented by KMW. The "wheeled self-propelled howitzer" from a cooperation of Rheinmetall (providing the HX3 truck chassis, weapon system and local modifications) and Elbit Systems (providing the turret and autoloader of its SIGMA system) is not being tested yet due to the immaturity of the design (still in development, no real prototype has fired its gun) and for being incompatible with a partner's (UK) requirement. further Boxer variants are also planned including ARV, AVLB, long-range anti-tank vehicle, air-defence missile carrier and SPAAG with the Skyranger 30 turret are also planned, but not much concrete details regarding numbers and equipment. KMW has proposed the Boxer UAV variants (carrying & controlling more than a dozen small/micro drones) and Boxer Digitalization (for controlling UGVs) for the German medium forces The program for the Fuchs successor is also on-going. Currently the German Army plans to purchase 629 new vehicles. Germany has joined the Patria CAVS program, but this is not a final decision as it is a prerequisite for testing the Patria 6x6 vehicle. Patria has stated in an interview with German media that it is looking for local partners that would take care of the production for the Bundeswehr's program, if the CAVS is selected. Rheinmetall is offering its Fuchs Evolution, which is not really a Fuchs 2, but also more than the previously proposed Fuchs 1A9. Meanwhile Rheinmetall and Ukraine have agreed on the supply (and later local production) of Fuchs vehicles including a new upgraded IFV variant. There are/were two options being discussed: using the Skyranger 30 turret (which is an air-defence turret and thus not optimal for a modern IFV) or leftover Marder 1A3 turrets (which are quite outdated). Production of Fuchs vehicles in high quantities in Ukraine might be advantageous for the companies' chances against the CAVS. Last but not least, Rheinmetall and Lockheed Martin have detailed their offer (based on HIMARS) in the German wheeled artillery program. The new system is called GMARS (German Medium/Multiple Artillery Rocket System) based on a HX3 truck and fitted with a full-sized launcher from the latest/improved M270A2 variant; so it is rather comparable K239 Chunmoo and HOMAR-K (Polish Chunmoo on Jelz truck) but based on official ToT/cooperation and not a bootleg copy. The two companies want Diehl to join their offer, competing against a team formed by KMW, MBDA, EGS and Elbit Systems offering the Euro-PULS system. Euro-PULS is likely cheaper and due to the removable pods, missile size is not limited to the MRLS-launche's internal dimensions, but it carries less ready-to-fire missiles (at least when using GMRLS-sized rockets). Germany favors having a Leopard 2-like "user-club" for its new vehicles (to share development costs, place common orders and help each other with training/logistics), which IMO favors Euro-PULS, as the normal PULS artillery system has been purchased by traditional partners of Germany (the Netherlands and Denmark). GMARS OTOH is based on some HIMARS components and HIMARS has seen a wider adoption in Europe (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania and Poland all have signed contracts for HIMARS).6 points -
Britons are in trouble
Lord_James and 5 others reacted to Renegade334 for a topic
Follow-on to Challenger...with a T-72/90-style carousel and autoloader:6 points -
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Cleb and 4 others reacted to Clan_Ghost_Bear for a topic
@Renegade334 https://imgur.com/a/VS2RNex https://www.gdls.com/ausa2023/ GD has designed an ARV for the Booker.5 points -
Closest to confirmation we’re likely to get regarding the Elbit MT30 turret.5 points
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Land 400 Phase 3: Australian IFV
Dragonstriker and 4 others reacted to 2805662 for a topic
Block 2 turret. The latest rumour is that the winner for 400-3 will be announced at the Defence + Industry conference on 27 July. Not getting too excited, tbh.5 points -
New render of the XK3 from Hyundai Rotem. 130mm gun, unmanned turret, KAPS, combined CITV/RWS, and Composite Rubber Tracks among other things that seem to be included in this preliminary render.5 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Laser Shark and 4 others reacted to Ramlaen for a topic
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https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060035213 some khald's, shir's etc, plate which is drilled look like UFP speical amror one, and look like Aluminum5 points
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On another forum @Wiedzmin noted some time ago that the Leclerc's gunner's sight seems to rely on the same stabilization system as the main gun, using a rod/axis to also move the sight. I've dug up a patent from GIAT (FR2656077A1) confirming this. In 1992, when the Leclerc entered service, the patent was also applied for in Germany and several other states. A rather curios design. Similar to earlier British and Chinese systems, but leaving the oculars in place.4 points
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Early K2 models from two early 00s issues of the Korean magazine Military Review4 points
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Britons are in trouble
Laviduce and 3 others reacted to BaronTibere for a topic
SR(L) 4026 Documents floating around on twitter (would love the rest). 4026 is the Chieftain replacement program that would be fulfilled by CR2. Highlights are only 350KE/650CE for the front hull, a desire for 300KE on the turret roof (??), and the various proposed levels of CR1 upgrade (assuming this is prior to the culling of the CR1 fleet). CR1 400 seems like they replace the turret with a CR2 turret CR1 300, 200, 100 seems like varying levels of upgraded CR1 turret and CR1 MIN seems like basic upgrades to the existing turret only (CR2 gun control equipment seemingly optional and no other specific upgrades listed) Penetration figures are seemingly at 60 degrees, point blank.4 points -
A model for a concept of a drone launcher system mounted on the sides of a vehicle, with a K2 model being used here. This was at the Poongsan booth.4 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Renegade334 and 3 others reacted to Ramlaen for a topic
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Just a few more photos from the Armed Forces Day Parade.4 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
alanch90 and 3 others reacted to Clan_Ghost_Bear for a topic
One more, from the Michigan Army ROTC Facebook page. Looks suspiciously like hatches on the hull front.4 points -
Leopard-2A6MA3 through a thermal imager of possibly same vehicle. Stolen from Wiedzmin.4 points
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thanks to @skylancer-3441 measures on vehicle and photos, i corrected my previous estimations based on vehicle photogrammetry which had theory about 150mm thickness of block overall steel plates also have a thin layer of some fiber in coating4 points
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Japan’s modern armoured vehicles
Clan_Ghost_Bear and 3 others reacted to Atokara for a topic
We now a bit more info on the Mitsubishi vs Patria WAPC replacement from one of the test drivers. The performance advantage previously stated has to deal with the differential lock on both vehicle. The MAV only had a front and rear diff lock while the AMV had diff lock on all axels which gave better performance in off-road conditions. For those who don't know the MAV design and concept predated the MCV by a few years as the Common Tactical Wheeled Vehicle. From what I can tell this was changed between the MAV and MCV as this complaint was never raised about the MCV. In terms of crew comfort The MAV had much more room for dismounts, but the seats were less comfortable. It was easier for the driver to get in and out of the Patria. The emergency fire suppressant switch was in an inconvenient place and was accidentally triggered during testing on the MAV. The MAV was much louder in the drivers area, but it was partially because ear pro was accidentally forgotten when procuring supplies for the drivers. After ear pro was provided there were no issues, but he notes that the MAV was too loud without anything, but noted that the crew would always have earphones during operation. In the posters opinion and my speculation, it seems like Mitsubishi kind of half-assed the competition. They put forward an old design and didn't bother properly adapting it to the competition the design wasn't really adapted based on feedback. It seems like Mitsubishi just put forward the design they already had just to fill out the domestic design requirement without any expectations to win. The poster thinks that MHI could have easily created a clean sheet design to directly counter the AMV based on talks with some of the engineers, but the higher ups didn't put in the expected effort for such a competition. On the other hand Patria was well prepared for the competition and very accommodating to the testing staff with plenty of spares (which didn't need to be used since both designs had an almost non-existent failure rate). IMO where Mitsubishi just put forward a design for the sake of putting forward a design Patria went all out in an attempt to win. On one hand I don't entirely blame Mitsubishi. After Komatsu pulled out of the competition MHI was picked to replace them as the domestic design. On the other it's a shame that they just put a design forward without fully committing to the competition as one would expect out of a company like MHI. My hope is that the MoD will get Hitachi more into the defense business with the new grants and safety nets and take some of the weight off of MHI in the absence of Komatsu.4 points -
United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Laser Shark and 3 others reacted to Ramlaen for a topic
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General artillery, SPGs, MLRS and long range ATGMs thread.
Ramlaen and 3 others reacted to Clan_Ghost_Bear for a topic
BAE plans to fit the Archer system to the Oshkosh PLS for US Army requirements.4 points -
StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)
Laser Shark and 3 others reacted to Wiedzmin for a topic
some more lynx, good view of external fuel tanks and FFG G5, funny that they milled sponson bottom4 points -
CR2 mantlet, more or less4 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Laviduce and 3 others reacted to Renegade334 for a topic
Here's the whole thread:4 points -
The Soviet Tank Thread: Transversely Mounted 1000hp Engines
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T-90M with Arena-M https://fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUDE&rn=1310&DocNumber=136227&QID=125F504C-11C1-4F06-BD1D-A6AA2AC498C8&TypeFile=html https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUPAT&DocNumber=2794373&TypeFile=html aaand...hull ass ERA4 points -
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A proposed ERA-equipped K1A1. As you can see by the text this proposal was for the Thai Main Battle Tank program where Hyundai Rotem proposed a "K1A1-TH" where one of the possible upgrades made would have been equipping the K1A1 with ERA to enhance it's armor protection.4 points
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Germany wants to order 18 Leopard 2A8 tanks with the options for more ("a middle three-digit number").4 points
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The Leopard 2 Thread
Laser Shark and 2 others reacted to SH_MM for a topic
New Leguans for Denmark being tested. I must say, I never paid attention to the new driver hatch design for the Leguan - a swivel hatch like on pre-2A5 tanks, but quite a bit beefed up. Commander seems to have only a simple flip up hatch.3 points -
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Lance turret shell in Australia3 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Stimpy75 and 2 others reacted to Renegade334 for a topic
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Quite interesting M1A1 uses same spacers for crew compartment side armor as front ones3 points
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Fairly recent pictures of K2s during mobility tests at the Hyundai Rotem Facility in Changwon.3 points
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United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Lord_James and 2 others reacted to Renegade334 for a topic
^--- I gotta say, that's a nice-looking camouflage pattern and netting right there.3 points -
United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
Laviduce and 2 others reacted to CimaGarahau for a topic
XM964 APFSDS-T Height Comparison between the XM964 (Only forward part) and a M829A1, the XM964 seems to be a bit longer than 40 inches if they're draw to scale.3 points -
Old Swiss report on the trials of Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams.3 points
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Polish K2GF and K9A1s of the 16 Dywizja Zmechanizowana (20 Brygada Zmechanizowana K2GFs and 1 Mazurska Brygada Artylerii K9A1s) during a recent demonstration for the President and Deputy Prime Minister of Poland held at the Orzysz Military Training Ground. K2GF K9A13 points
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Officials (apparently) 3D models of the Jaguar, Caesar (6x6), Griffon and Serval by the ministry of Defense : https://sketchfab.com/armees_gouv With detailed crew compartment with the exception of the Jaguar. From AD.net3 points