The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.

[Sturgeon]

Yeah, the Bren 2 is not an attractive rifle. I am not sure what the fuck is wrong with CZ's industrial designers, but they need to be fired.

Still a cool gun with a huge market open to it.

[Ramlaen]

On 5/11/2017 at 6:56 PM, Sturgeon said:

You heard it hear first: The unsuppressed military rifle is about to become history.

 

"For Staff Sgt. Troy Hauck, a platoon sergeant with Bravo Company's Weapons Platoon, not having to worry about ear protection when firing his rifle is a nice bonus."

 

I hope this is the author inserting some derp and not how the soldiers are being trained.

[LoooSeR]

[Belesarius]

Another wtf moment, this time stolen from Bloke on the Range's FB. A Husqvarna 1907 racegun.

 

[Collimatrix]

Next to an STG-44!  What a bizarre contraption.

[Belesarius]

Of note, this is not a slow-mo shot apparently, just random good luck with a camera. Stolen from FW facebook.

 

[Donward]

That shooting stance looks even more stupid with the exaggerated thumb forward grip when he is holding an old handgun.

[Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect]

What looks stupid about it? 

 

Also, Ulric and I were talking last night and I think one of these should be put on my "to buy" list. 

 

[Sturgeon]

5 hours ago, Donward said:

That shooting stance looks even more stupid with the exaggerated thumb forward grip when he is holding an old handgun.

 

That's because he's not shooting a wheelgun. You can do that now without losing the tip of your thumb.

[Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect]

33 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

 

That's because he's not shooting a wheelgun. You can do that now without losing the tip of your thumb.

 

.460 victim

[Collimatrix]

 

[Sturgeon]

Textbook case of Bad Dogfood Syndrome:

 

 

[Collimatrix]

LoooSer'd.

 

Speaking of the L85, Ian has been doing a series:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure where he got the idea that the XL-60 series have a rectangular receiver and the XL-70 series have a trapezoidal one.  According to the diagrams in Steve Raw's book, the XL-64 have an asymmetrical, somewhat rounded receiver cross-section while the production SA-80 has a rectilinear receiver cross-section.

 

In fact, one of the biggest mysteries of the SA-80 program is how the design got from the XL-64 to the XL-70.  A lot of the design elements change, seemingly overnight and with no intermediate steps.  The receiver goes from the irregular, oblong shape to the square shape.  The handguard goes from having a clamshell left and right half to an upper piece and a bottom piece.  The bolt carrier goes from riding on a pair of guide rods that also house the return springs (basically an exact clone of the AR-18) to having two guide rods and a third rod that supports the return spring.  All of these changes occurred at once.  Also, none of them fixed the problems.

[Sturgeon]

3 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

LoooSer'd.

 

Speaking of the L85, Ian has been doing a series:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure where he got the idea that the XL-60 series have a rectangular receiver and the XL-70 series have a trapezoidal one.  According to the diagrams in Steve Raw's book, the XL-64 have an asymmetrical, somewhat rounded receiver cross-section while the production SA-80 has a rectilinear receiver cross-section.

 

In fact, one of the biggest mysteries of the SA-80 program is how the design got from the XL-64 to the XL-70.  A lot of the design elements change, seemingly overnight and with no intermediate steps.  The receiver goes from the irregular, oblong shape to the square shape.  The handguard goes from having a clamshell left and right half to an upper piece and a bottom piece.  The bolt carrier goes from riding on a pair of guide rods that also house the return springs (basically an exact clone of the AR-18) to having two guide rods and a third rod that supports the return spring.  All of these changes occurred at once.  Also, none of them fixed the problems.

 

I believe he means the cross section of the receiver in profile.

[Ulric]

 

My new favorite AK

[Ramlaen]

6 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

Bad Dogfood Syndrome

 

Google fails me but I assume it has something to do with never knowing what good food tastes like.

[Sturgeon]

20 minutes ago, Ramlaen said:

 

Google fails me but I assume it has something to do with never knowing what good food tastes like.

 

It's from Mike B of Bloke on the Range. "If you raise a dog on bad dog food, it won't want to eat good dog food."

[Volkswagen]

 

You can watch the rest of the sa80 videos in advance if you use the playlist he made some time ago.

[Sturgeon]

Oopsies!

[Sturgeon]

IT BEGINS

 

[Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect]

5 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

IT BEGINS

 

I'm glad we are finally using AMERICAN cartridges now. 

 

Also, I've never heard of the "263 USA" or whatever. Thoughts?

[Xlucine]

6 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

IT BEGINS

 

 

Next challenge: wikishit so hard you change DoD procurement policy

[Sturgeon]

6 hours ago, Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect said:

I'm glad we are finally using AMERICAN cartridges now. 

 

Also, I've never heard of the "263 USA" or whatever. Thoughts?

 

It's a lengthened 7.62x39 blown out and necked to 6.5mm. A bit less powerful than .260 Remington.

 

Ultimately, it's pretty heavy for an infantry rifle round. Would make a good 7.62 replacement, though.

[Bronezhilet]

On 5/16/2017 at 10:14 PM, Sturgeon said:

Textbook case of Bad Dogfood Syndrome:

 

 

Should I touch this with a ten-foot pole or shouldn't I touch this with a 10-foot pole?

[Sturgeon]