D.E. Watters Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: So, I will admit to being Not A Mortar Expert, and until very recently the class of "commando" mortars was not something I was well aware of. However, I don't think the convertible mortars like the M19 and M224 have sighting systems in individual mode, and they can't be carried loaded, isn't that right? Some mortar designs can conceivably be carried loaded, as they have individual triggers. However, I'm not aware of the safety features to prevent accidental firing if carried loaded. Some of the older foreign designs simply used hash marks on the sling for elevation/range. You just step on the hash mark for the appropriate range and pull up on the tube to tension the sling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, Ramlaen said: No, I am one of those people who spend more time lurking than posting (I would also need to set up a disqus or google account). I think he has to be someone on here. You both criticized Solomon, so that's where I was getting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 53 minutes ago, D.E. Watters said: Some mortar designs can conceivably be carried loaded, as they have individual triggers. However, I'm not aware of the safety features to prevent accidental firing if carried loaded. Some of the older foreign designs simply used hash marks on the sling for elevation/range. You just step on the hash mark for the appropriate range and pull up on the tube to tension the sling. (IIRC) the Japanese "knee mortar" had a horrendous pull as the "safety". It took a stout tug to fire the one I had a chance to make noise with. As far as a "WW2 M-79", it was not completely terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetechie Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Sturgeon said: @Ramlaen, I am guessing you are Samuel Millwright on TFB? Nope That's me sturgeon, i switched over to my new phone recently and for some reason my normal disqus sign in didn't want to port over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Sturgeon said: I think he has to be someone on here. You both criticized Solomon, so that's where I was getting that. I think it's @roguetechie based on the green on blue comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, roguetechie said: Nope That's me sturgeon, i switched over to my new phone recently and for some reason my normal disqus sign in didn't want to port over. What timing. roguetechie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, roguetechie said: Nope That's me sturgeon, i switched over to my new phone recently and for some reason my normal disqus sign in didn't want to port over. Oh, well it sounded kind of like you, buy obviously you had a different handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetechie Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 LOL I do have a kinda unhealthy obsession with the whole green on blue thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Target identified: Overmatch-class Make the tube ready in all respects! Firing point procedures Match bearings and shoot! Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetechie Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 HIT!! Prepare for wailing gnashing of teeth and lots of people getting told they're too stupid to live! *loves the smell of napalm in the morning* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 14 hours ago, Sturgeon said: So, I will admit to being Not A Mortar Expert, and until very recently the class of "commando" mortars was not something I was well aware of. However, I don't think the convertible mortars like the M19 and M224 have sighting systems in individual mode, and they can't be carried loaded, isn't that right? M4 has a sighting system in the handle (including a spirit level, I think) and a lanyard to fire. I don't know about a safety, but you can certainly set up and fire one by yourself. The little I've heard about them seemed to indicate that the bomb itself wasn't all that powerful. It also wasn't all that accurate, as you have to hold it at a specific inclination yourself. I think the main use was as a suppression tool to keep other people's heads down while your mates maneuvered. I'm pretty keen on the idea of an integrated, computerised rangefinder/sight (mentioned above), as this shifts the role of the weapon significantly. roguetechie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Ratheon pike in a 60mm mortar sounds like a better idea than the 40mm to me. you'd get a bigger boom per round, and the complicated guidance part should cost the same per round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Xlucine said: Ratheon pike in a 60mm mortar sounds like a better idea than the 40mm to me. you'd get a bigger boom per round, and the complicated guidance part should cost the same per round The guided mortar rounds came first, actually. I'll have to find that powerpoint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Spoiler Ukrainian SFs Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Moscow SOBR. All with VSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Tactikewl FAMAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 With words: Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Behold, a demonstration of why the SAW is not a great idea: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 45 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Behold, a demonstration of why the SAW is not a great idea: Is the trouble here the reloading and dealing with the belt? Going off that, is there much of a difference in role between a SAW and a GPMG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Scolopax said: Is the trouble here the reloading and dealing with the belt? Going off that, is there much of a difference in role between a SAW and a GPMG? Yes, the GPMG has 3 guys running it, while the SAW just has one dude. Note the part where his buddy (a rifleman) comes over to help him reload - so now you have not just a fourth of your fireteam down for a good long while reloading, but HALF of your fireteam. That's half of what is supposed to be a mobile fire-and-maneuver unit sitting there dicking around with one guy's gun getting it up and running again. The rifle squad is not supposed to sit there and put fires on the enemy. It is supposed to maneuver, close, and bring the fight to the enemy. They cannot do very effectively that if one guy in four's gun goes down every 50-200 rounds and takes a minute to reload, often while pulling other guys from the fireteam out of the fight to help. At this point, I am about 98% converted over to the side that thinks the SAW is just a stupid idea. The Soviets tried it, and abandoned it after less than a decade. The USMC abandoned it (and the pitch I was given as to why sounds extremely compelling). The Army is about to abandon it. It's just a shitty idea. The M249 isn't really a bad gun (when in good repair - which US Army guns usually are not), but the SAW concept of giving every automatic rifleman a belt fed... 98% sure that's idiocy. Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Heavy barrel M4 and a quad stack 60 rounder sounds like it might be better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Belesarius said: Heavy barrel M4 and a quad stack 60 rounder sounds like it might be better choice. If we're to believe the Marine Corps, an M4A1 with a bipod, optic, and 30 rounders is literally 2-3x as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: At this point, I am about 98% converted over to the side that thinks the SAW is just a stupid idea. The Soviets tried it, and abandoned it after less than a decade. The USMC abandoned it (and the pitch I was given as to why sounds extremely compelling). The Army is about to abandon it. It's just a shitty idea. What weapon was this and when? The RPK comes to my mind in this discussion as an ideal weapon for the task at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted July 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Scolopax said: What weapon was this and when? The RPK comes to my mind in this discussion as an ideal weapon for the task at hand. The RPD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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