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  1. 11 points

    Czechoslovak interwar bits

    Hello guys, I think that possibly some of you might be interested in our interwar Czechoslovak stuff. For starter I've decided to share with you a wonderful online document about our fortification system. At the very beginning I'd like to say that I have nothing common with its creators. It's just an incredible gem that deserves to be shared with you. If you know it, sorry for that, nevertheless I think most of you don't. Since I am new here I will not waste your time debating what if scenarios. Don't worry. Well, enough of talking. What I want to share with you is a massive interactive map of our fortification system containing nearly 11 thousand objects with information about every single one of them. You can switch on even such crazy details like cable networks or construction facilities used for building of the fortifications. The map is directly linked with an online database of the fortification buildings where more than 2000 objects are listed with detailed description (plans, 3D models, photos, weapons, crew, important dates, recent state etc.). Unfortunately this database is only in Czech language but it can be a great source of information for you anyway (especially when linked with the map). The good thing is that the map alone supports other languages and you can easily switch them. This is the base view where I have already switched on all objects. You can change background map type, information etc. on the left side and visualise everything what You want to see on the right side. Let's zoom in a little bit. Here You can see one of the strongest fortified places - a valey at Králíky in north-east Czechia. As you can see the object marks have different shapes, colours etc. The shape is matching the menu on the right side. Triangles are concrete pillboxes vz. (mark) 36. Small circles are pillboxes vz. 37. The letter inside means type of the object (with one firing post, two on each side, angled one etc.). The color can be decoded from the information table in the bottom right corner. Basically it shows whether the object was actually built, if it was later destroyed or the works were only started or even not so. The heavy objects are the large circles. The numbers have also a meaning. It's a resistance class (1 -> 2 -> I -> IV from the lowest to the most resistant). You can switch on also the ground plans of the artilery groups (fortresses with underground network between the casemates). You can see it here (fortress Hůrka). You can also switch on the firing lines. Here You can see heavy artilery coverage of the most fortified section of the line (the sad thing is that no heavy artilery pieces were installed by the time of Münich crisis - but lets leave such details aside for now). You can switch on the firing lines even for the pillboxes as you can see here on the example from the souther border. Nearly all Czechoslovak objects were built for side fire having superheavy resistance frontal walls with stone and earth covers. If You zoom even more and switch for satelite map you get something like this. In this case the red color shows anti tank 47 mm guns and the blue color is 7,92 mm (sometimes double) heavy machine guns of a heavy separated casemate (possible use of light machine guns in observation cupolas is not marked). The grey color shows vz.26 light machine guns of the neighbouring pillbox. You can click on every single object and you get available details. The first icon shows detailed lines of fire including realistic range. Bellow the L: L1 M ZN 3-4 means: Left side: L1 = 47 mm anti tank gun with 7,92 mm coaxial heavy MG; M = twin 7,92 heavy MG; ZN is I think type of the cupola but I'm not actually sure about it. The codes for the weapons are shown at the table in the lower right corner (you need to keep the cursor on the question mark). The Second icon leads to a database of objects which is unfortunately only in our weird language. Anyway you can dig a lot of information from it as well (drawings, recent state, photos, exact location etc.). The best thing is that most of the objects still exist till today (all of those heavy ones). The Germans managed to destroy roughly 2000 light objects (and gain some 11000 tons of steels from them). They managed to damage also many heavy ones when they were testing weapons and tactics for the future use duirng the WW2. They even moved some cupolas (and of course the famous hedgehogs) to other fortifications along the Atlantic wall or elsewhere. Many of them are made into better or worse museums today (large quantity is private now). Huge number of them is just left alone and freely accessible for anyone. If you are more interested I can give you tips which ones to visit. On the Czech map portal You can use a mode panorama which is basically the same thing as Google street view but it's much more up to date and it's nearly everywhere where they got at least with a motorbike. Since the fortifications are also visible there, you check where they are for easier access. If you are interested I can continue the fortification topic with some other information (I'm no historian but I have visited quite many of the objects myself and read some books about them). OK, so this was my first post on the forum. I hope you find it interesting and maybe for some of you it can be a reason for a trip, who knows :-)
  2. 8 points
    T-64BV added. Also added spoilers to make page a bit shorter, faster to scroll. This was the last vehicle that this guide will cover, BTW. So yes, after several years it is finally done! @Scolopax @N-L-M @Collimatrix @Ramlaen @Lord_James @Zyklon
  3. 7 points
    Here's the thing, most conservatives I know are ardent anti-racists and have been their whole life. Judging others as individuals is a core part of their morality since they were young, imparted to them by their parents who were adults or young people during the Civil Rights Movement. These people know the power of words as tools of oppression of minorities, that's why universally they reject the use of the N-word, and that remains culturally unacceptable in public discourse. Now imagine you're one of these people who are anti-racist at your core, and circa 2001 you start getting criticized for being racist. Your first reaction is going to be, golly! I'm not racist! Let me apologize! Or maybe it's: I'm not a racist but what I say is an uncomfortable truth. And then it keeps happening. Over and over again. Racist! Racist! Racist! Racist! Sooner or later, you become wise to the fact that every time someone accuses you of being racist, there's a political agenda behind it. You begin to realize that the race card is played more often as a smokescreen to conceal malfeasance than as corrective behavior. Years go by, and the first black man is elected president. Well, you think, it was about time. Not my candidate, and I'm not too fond of someone from the Chicago political establishment getting the top spot, especially with that D next to his name and a vaguely socialism-lite platform, but eh McCain was a shitty candidate anyway. Of course you're not going to be quiet about him, any more than you would a white president. He gives an iPod to the Queen, you laugh at him. Fails to uphold his campaign promises, you criticize him. Lets the bureaucracy strangle business with regulation, you holler and yell. The ACA is the worst, you can see the effect it has on business and that's the thing that rubs you raw the most. But the cries of "racism!" don't go away. In fact they intensify and diversify. Policy criticisms that have nothing to do with race get criticized as "racist!" simply because Obama is black. Antagonism towards whites hits an all time high. Race baiting gets worse not better. You start to hear about incredible stories from the border, too. Mexican Army elements, or possibly cartel groups dressed in Army clothes, cross the border, actually kill people, and nothing happens. Meanwhile border security hits an all time low. The Democrats, in at least partial power during this time, don't seem worried about this. In fact, you start seeing articles about "Purple Texas" and how by 2030 Republicans will never win another Federal election because "the future is diverse" or some shit. Fast forward to now. "Racism!" Yeah who cares. You're just trying to shut me down. Seen this a million times. "No, racism!" Look if you don't shut up I'm gonna say the N-word just to piss you off. "RACISM!" GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM YOU JUNGLE MONKEY. It's not because you're racist. It's because you're done. You still treat everyone the same regardless of skin color (which the lefties hate). You still hire black people, you still buy tamales from the food truck run by that nice Mexican lady. Nothing has changed, except You're done playing these games. You're done being taken advantage of. You're done letting people use your good nature against you, to get one over on you. You're done self-censoring just to make them happy, in fact you hate these people who have abused your goodwill enough that you might just relish saying something that sounds kinda racist just to make them froth and toss. Fuck them. Your side lost politically for years just because cries of "racist!" would make them sit down and shut up, so was their desire to be fair and not racist. And this desire got you NOWHERE in politics, it just encouraged the Democrats to do it more. And here we are. Cry racism all you want. Nobody's listening.
  4. 6 points
    Some shots and footage of the Americans in Wartime Museum's EFV automotive test rig:
  5. 6 points

    Your Tank Stories

    Abrams Driver then Gunner* Anyway once after we returned from Kuwait and not to long after we gotten our tanks back from the boat/train we had to loan out some of ours to another unit conducting training. So after like a week of so the guys return the tank claiming the turret was traversing on its own with zero human input whatsoever. So one day the mechanics tell us to go ahead and startup this particular tank and move it forward (so the turret can be freely moved without hitting other parked tanks). They specifically told us not to worry about the turret because its hydraulic line had been completely disconnected and that there was no way it could move unless manually. I hop in and startup and I swear that thing made the freakiest engine startup noises I'd ever heard. Sure enough a couple of moments later with my head out cause I was open hatch in the seat the freakin turret starts traversing on its own! Needless to say I immediately ducked my head and dropped the seat and did an emergency shut off of the engine. Even if I hadn't have ducked I would have been fine since it was parked with 2 tanks on either side and once the gun tube hit the adjacent tanks bore evacuator it stopped it in its tracks anyway. No one got hurt but the tank next to it had to get a replacement bore evacuator though lol......
  6. 6 points
    Stefan Kotsch has published the following excerpts from East-German documents regarding the reliability of the T-72 on Tank-Net.
  7. 5 points
    This is pretty well-written aticle about Tigr/SVD type rifles. https://huntportal.ru/hunting/oruzhie-i-boepripasy/nareznoe-ognestrelnoe-oruzhie/rossiya/tigr-i-realnost
  8. 5 points

    Czechoslovak interwar bits

    A bit about the God of War. With Czechoslovak artillery it was exactly opposite than with the airforce. The artillery was very strong and had many very potent weapons, nearly all of them were local design and production. The guns were also widely exported. The field army had some 80 artillery regiments with over 2200 pieces (not counting any fortification guns or auxilliary units). As with most of other weapons large part of them (plus huge ammo stocks - and actually also hundreds of thousands Sudeten Deutsche soldaten) sadly presented a massive gift for the Wehrmacht. A bitter aftermath of Münich. 10 cm Light howitzer vz.14/19 (towed by horses). Very well known weapon used by nearly everyone in the central Europe and during WW2 by Wehrmacht and Italy. In 1938 Czechoslovakia had around 600 pieces. Wehrmacht got 400+, Slovakia 180+. Together with Polish and Austrian ones Wehrmacht later had around 1000 pieces. 10 cm light howitzer vz.30 (for motorized units and so called fast divisions). Very modern weapon for its time based on export Yugoslav model but widely modified for domestic use (not always in the better way due to various compromises such as necessity to allow use of older ammo for vz.14/19). 160+ guns were available in 1938. It was later successfully used by Wehrmacht and Slovakia. The only preserved piece is in USA. 10 cm light howitzer vz.38 (for mechanized units). This modern weapon was never fielded despite it was addopted but too late - the complete order (260 pieces) was canceled after Münich. As with the previous gun it was again based on successful export models F and H (Yugoslavia, Romania, Iran, Latvia, Afghanistan). Germany took 84 guns made for Latvia and sold 57 to Romania and 27 to Finland. Those 27 Finnish guns officially fired 75 thousand rounds during the war and served successfully till 1970'. The prototype of the Czechoslovak version (H3) is on display in Lešany museum near Prague together with one Finnish piece (a place sure worth visiting). 15 cm heavy howitzer vz.15 (usually towed by heavy tractors). This gun was already rather obsolete by 1938 but 40+ pieces were still used. The guns were taken over by Wehrmacht and used on the western front and a half was later sold to Finland. It's on display in Lešany. 15 cm heavy howitzer vz.14/16 (for horse traction). Well known weapon of the WW1. Czechoslovakia used some 180 pieces built after WW1 and they were used till Münich. Hundreds of these guns were used by Italy, others by Austria, Romania, Greece etc. Wehrmacht took around 100 pieces and used most of them in Austrian units which were used to the same weapon. The gun is preserved in Lešany. 15 cm heavy howitzer vz.25 (for horse traction). Czechoslovak army had 340 pieces of this rather light and potent weapon (still pretty good by late 30'). Werhmacht and Slovakia successfully used them till the end of war. You can see this gun in Lešany as well. 155 mm heavy howitzer vz.15/17. This well known French gun was a stop-gap solution in 1919 when the army badly needed whatever it could get to fight the so-called Hungarian Soviet Republic (which was defeated by Romanian and Czechoslovak forces and ceased to exist the same year). Czechoslovakia had 50 pieces but all of them were retired by 1937. Maybe Wehrmacht got them from some storage but there is no record about that. Anyway it used plenty of these guns from French and Polish stocks. 15 cm heavy howitzer vz.37. This weapon was arguably the best of its class by late 30' but as with many other weapons of Czechoslovak production it was largely exported (series K) but not used by the Czechoslovak army itself. When the army decided to addopt this weapon used already by Turkey, Romania or Yugoslavia it was hesitating that long about its modifications (for example whether it prefers a variant for motorized or horse traction) that the first guns were delivered only after Münich. Wehrmacht took a whole batch of 110+ pieces and used them till the end of war. Some sources say that Germany originally signed an order for another production but a lobby from German companies led to its cancelation. The Czechoslovak variant of the gun is on display in Lešany museum. 10 cm mountain howitzer vz.16/19. This weapon was successfully used during the WW1 and extensively modernized by Czechoslovakia in 1920'. It was being transported disassembled into three pieces and with the overall weight 1350 kg it could fire to nearly 10 km distance (the modernized version). It was widely used by Italy, Austria (later Wehrmacht) and in small numbers also by Slovakia and Greece. Czechoslovakia had 66 pieces of which 44 were modernized and dislocated mostly in the mountains of Slovakia. This gun is on display in Lešany. That's it for howitzers. I have omitted many prorotypes, some of which are on display in Lešany as well. Let's continue later with field guns.
  9. 5 points

    Israeli AFVs

    Pre-serial production variant. Prototype: Noticeable differences: Lower (fog?) lights are protected. Storage boxes on the sides appear to be somewhat extended downwards, with the central one being significantly enlarged. UFP has a little bump in the middle. Rear sponsons were somewhat changed. Smoke grenade launchers were removed. New commander's cupola? Sides are now protruding outwards, due to the installation of the new armor modules. New tires and wheel design. Different headlights.
  10. 5 points
    Don't know if already posted: https://www.mtu-report.com/Technology/Research-Development/Putting-the-Puma-through-its-Paces https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/themen_im_fokus/puma_ersetzt_marder/index.php#
  11. 5 points
    We may (very soon) get Constitutional carry in Kentucky. Keeping my fingers crossed. ETA- IT PASSED. Kentucky has Constitutional carry. 60 "yes" , while 37 found freedom "scary".
  12. 4 points

    General AFV Thread

    Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Hydro-pneumatic Unit Integrated Suspension.
  13. 4 points

    Explosive Reactive Armor

    Saving for future use - ERA in K-5 UFP module
  14. 4 points
    People are conflating requirements - parameters a system being procured has to meet - and conditions - parameters that respondents to the procurement have to comply with in order to participate. It doesn’t matter whether a system, in this case, KF41, meets the requirements stipulated by the customer, if the respondent (i.e. Rheinmetall) cannot meet the conditions of the RFP, in this case, delivery of an example system by a specified timeframe. A respondent has to meet the requirements while complying with the conditions.
  15. 4 points
    https://twitter.com/xmszeon Object 490 "Perspective 2001" (oversized) and Object 490A models
  16. 4 points
    You must be insane, @XhaxhiEnver; truly. When comparing the cost of a series production, you use a single year’s dollar equivalent, which accounts for in/deflation, because the uncorrected values will indeed skew the final costs. It is a common, accepted practice to use the value of the dollar (or whatever currency) of the first year of production of an item, for all years that the item was produced. Ergo, if you want to compare the unit cost of the M1 over its production run, you would most likely use the value of the M1 in the first year it was produced. Inflation will make the cost higher because THAT’S WHAT INFLATION DOES! It makes the unit monetary value decrease, meaning you need MORE MONEY to pay for the same item. This is why it is imperative to adjust for inflation of goods. One thing you’re not understanding about that $4.2 billion number is that it is for EVERYTHING related to the M1: setting up a new factory and/or re-tooling of old factories to accommodate for the new vehicle (this cost money... like, a LOT of money); acquisition of ammo, fuel, spare parts, and crew pensions and training for each tank planned (make sure they’re not out of parts/fuel within days introduction), and that’s certainly not cheap for 7000 vehicles; worker, electric, and materials costs (it would be ridiculous to think contractor, sub-contractor, and other utility and manufacturing costs would not be estimated and included in the report). I don’t know where you learned to estimate finances, but you should probably ask for your money back.
  17. 4 points
    Finally, a Trump proposal I can support.
  18. 4 points
    Note that in Libya troops of field marshal Haftar use silhouettes of Africa and Libya in camo patterns.
  19. 4 points
    David Moyes

    Britons are in trouble

    2019 Production Line: 2019 Press: Videos: 2019 Roadshow: 2015 Prototype Testing: Photos from: https://www.armadninoviny.cz
  20. 4 points
    Gather round, ye posters of Mechanized! Recent events have indicated that a refresher course on the posting standards of this forum is needed, and so: Reminder that SH is primarily, first and foremost, a document-based forum. While there is a gentlemen's agreement kind of deal whereby you are not expected to post your sources with every post you make, it is implicitly assumed that you actually have such sources and that they actually say what you claim they do. Furthermore, it is expected that when requested, you post the relevant sources. While it is known that not all the information relating to the subjects discussed on this forum is public domain, and that therefore informed speculation is a large part of any debate, it is expected that: A. your speculation have some basis in reality (which can in turn be backed up with at least circumstantial evidence), and: B. that it be presented as such. Here is a very good example of how not to post: You would note that the poster in question is extremely confident in their tone with no indication to the average reader that this is in fact complete bullshit, and has no basis whatsoever for the claims he is making. This is in fact the exact kind of posting that is not desired on this forum. On the other hand, here is a good example of speculation done right: The poster in question clearly explains, by analyzing available imagery and using basic logic, why in fact they have reached their conclusions, and backs it up with references to available literature on the topic. No wild assumptions are fielded as fact, nor are any major claims presented without at the very least circumstantial photographic evidence. And all speculation is presented as such- "a seems to be true", "b seems to be better than c", "I'd say d is the case", and so on. Even a poorly-informed reader can easily distinguish between what is implicitly assumed, what is actually known and what is fresh new (grounded) speculation. For those of you who are new, or just rusty, the posting rules are fairly clear: Kindly re-familiarize yourselves with the rules. And last but not least, remember that the forum motto is Referte avt morimini, link or die. Hiding behind sources that cannot be confirmed, that have mysteriously disappeared, or that "you seem to remember" do not count. While nobody is expecting you to have all your sources at hand at any given moment, it is expected that you either post them at the nearest possible convenience or back off the claims which remain unsubstantiated until further notice. Failure to do so is considered poor taste, to say the least. Many posters who are no longer with us did not heed the warnings and therefore chose themselves the "morimini" route. The management thanks you for your voluntary cooperation.
  21. 4 points
    3M89 "Palash"
  22. 4 points

    Competition: Californium 2250

    Just to prove that it actually fits the crew. The dummy is 1,8m tall, so a bit taller than the California standard. Its actually surprisingly roomy, more roomy than I expected.
  23. 4 points
  24. 4 points
    I really dread seeing this thread update.
  25. 4 points
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/gurkhan/izdelie-327--samohodka-obognavshaia-vremia-5c87f93f44a47600b4faa265 Izdelie 327 SPG
  26. 4 points
    As far as I am aware, Sweden was only inspired by the US to test DU armor themselves. Original: " Inspirerade av den valda skyddslösningen i den amerikanska stridsvagnen M1A1 DU där Chobhampansaret uppgraderats med skikt av utarmat uran, gjordes provskjutningar i Sverige även mot denna typ av material. Resultaten visade på möjligheten att nå bättre skyddsprestanda om volymen och inte vikten var gränssättande. " English: " Inspired by the american armor solution in the M1A1 DU main battle tank, in which the Chobham armor was upgraded with layer of depleted uranium, a test was conducted in Sweden of this type of material. The results showed that if was possible to increase armor protection if volume, but not the weight was the limiting factor. " In short, they tested a home made armor, and concluded it was only worth it if volume was the constraint, not the weight. Source: http://www.ointres.se/strv_2000.htm
  27. 4 points

    Land 400 Phase 3: Australian IFV

    New turret from EOS and Elbit Systems. Brochure
  28. 4 points
    Challenger 2 + MUSS APS being tested as part of the British MEDUSA program.
  29. 4 points
    Object 770 (mock up, to be precise)
  30. 3 points

    General AFV Thread

    Well, firstly, the DF90 was never intended to replace the Leopard 1A5BE, the purpose of the DF90 is to support infantry combat operations and, if necessary, providing an anti-tank capability. Secondly, no miracle is to be expected from a medium-pressure 90 mm gun against a modern Main Battle Tank. Thirdly, taking into account the additional weight, the running gear of the Piranha IIIC is push to its very limits. Indeed, there was this one rumor with the loosening screws and bolts moving between the hull bottom and the anti-mine double-floor of the Piranha IIIC but as usual, it's overly exaggerated by the press. Finally, I would say that budget cuts and wheels go well with each other. The Land Component believed until the last minute that they will get second-hand Dutch Leopard 2A5/A6.
  31. 3 points
    David Moyes

    Britons are in trouble

    Vickers Mk.7 Model From ebay - listed as a Challenger 2 prototype:
  32. 3 points

    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Tetris reached Leos
  33. 3 points

    The Leopard 2 Thread

    photo of pic from Wehrtechnik 1988-03 p.30
  34. 3 points
    Hi-Res CAD of prototype 5-pair road wheels Puma: http://btvt.narod.ru/4/puma2.htm
  35. 3 points
    Gun Ready

    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Coming back to the old German specification for armour steel (TL 2350-0001): The allocation to hardness is the following A, R and D 250 to 300 B 310 to 360 C 340 to 390 E 400 to 450 X 370 to 420 W 400 to 450 V 440 to 490 L 250 to 300 Now @Wiedzmin you can perform the analysis for the old Leopard 2 AV.
  36. 3 points
  37. 3 points


    Photos of T-15 from Army 2019
  38. 3 points
    Interestingly enough, the photos shown here in the famous IDR article are from the French delegation visit in October 1977, a month before the T-72's first appearance in Red Square...and over a year after the T-64A was first spotted in East Germany in September 1976. The article confirmed that the US and NATO had incorrectly labeled the T-64A, as the T-72.
  39. 3 points
    From The Tank Museum Twitter
  40. 3 points

    Polish Armoured Vehicles

    A few absolutly astonishing photos made by Rafał Mniedło - press officer form 11 Lubuska Dywizja Kawalerii Pancernej
  41. 3 points

    General AFV Thread

    We don't have Iraqi AFVs thread, so... https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/829427.html Iraqi Al-Kafeel Tank, modernized T-55 of Al-Hashd al-Shaabi forces. I have Azov engineering corp vibes from it.
  42. 3 points
    New photos! My mother and sister just arrived from their 3 weeks trip to Georgia and Armenia, visited different places and made about 1600 photos. Few things were visited again (as in 2015). Some photos from Armenia.
  43. 3 points
    SU-122-54s in Operation Danube (August 1968):
  44. 3 points
  45. 3 points

    Turkish touch

    and here in english p.s. end of april i will be at IDEF 2019.....will make a looooot of pictures and videos..will share them here too
  46. 3 points

    Competition: Californium 2250

    Yeah, no kidding. I actually had to downgrade my 133mm gun a bit, as checking it against the available pressure limits for 2A46 (510 MPa for earlier versions of the gun) showed that it was going over. Bear in mind that this configuration was selected precisely because it has the maximum possible penetration using conventional AP. So, for instance, if you run a similarly pressure-limited 152mm AP shell (based on BR-540B), you get something like 216mm RHA penetration at 2000m. Edit: hold the fucking phone, because I just had an idea. I'll revert if/when something comes of it. Edit 2: Okay, here it is I'm calling it the "Sustainer" shell. It's essentially a rocket motor and shell wrapped around a completely conventional armour-piercing core. The shell has a set of folding fins on the back, while the core has a small tungsten bit on the front. Testing using Rocketsim lots of math by actual rocket scientists shows that the entire assembly would weigh around 12.5kg and produces enough thrust to hit over 500m/s from a standing start. Behind the shell is a buffer pad to keep the entire thing from disintegrating, and behind that a powder charge. The entire thing is loaded as a warhead section in front of a standard propellent charge and shot out of the gun at around 1580m/s. From there on the rocket motor kicks in and actually speeds the projectile (potentially up to around 1900m/s) before simply sustaining the velocity. Penetration is accordingly a bit weird, starting off at around 300mm RHA equivalence at the muzzle, and then rising to perhaps 395mm a kilometre and a half out. From there it holds more-or-less steady out to 4km, before rapidly dropping off. This new type of shell, which we're thinking of referring to as "Rocket-assisted AP, Fin-Stabilised" (or RAP-FS) is expected to provide substantial penetration performance while maintaining a non-phallic, mammaric appearance.
  47. 3 points

    Israeli AFVs

  48. 3 points

    French flair

  49. 3 points
    https://spacenews.com/final-fiscal-year-2019-budget-bill-secures-21-5-billion-for-nasa/ Hype for potential of NERVA returning (plus probably some Timberwind DNA)
  50. 3 points
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