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  1. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk reacted to Ramlaen in Active Protection System (APS) for tanks   
  2. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk reacted to Ramlaen in Active Protection System (APS) for tanks   
    From the FY2017 DOT&E annual report released today.
     
     
     
     
  3. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Zyklon in Israeli AFVs   
    Can't link videos from this site but I think it's a really neat video:
    https://www.idf.il/אתרים/זרוע-היבשה/סקם-בשיזפון/
     
    Officers' course cadets finishing their course with a combined arms exercise that includes the 460th instructional armor brigade (hence the absence of Trophy, though they are called into combat like everybody else).
     
    And a few pics to make this post look a little prettier:
     

     

  4. Funny
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Alzoc in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    That's a Merkava type concept. It too has its limits.
     
    Designing a new turret, hence designing a whole new tank, with a human loader, is a terrible mistake.
     
    IMO the best solution would be to have an unmanned turret AND the ammo inside the hull to minimize the damage to the tank if the turret is penetrated.
     
    Okay Alzoc, go ahead.
  5. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from grabie in Israeli AFVs   
    Graduation video:
     
     

     

     
    Part of a recent propaganda series to educate people on the role of the armored corps due to its decline in recent years. This time they show a live operational firing on 3 targets in a Hamas outpost. 
    You can see them exiting the tank after firing and celebrating with the bunch, but that's just editing for the sake of smooth transitioning.
     
    https://he-il.facebook.com/2055812101320752/videos/2085466998355262/
     
     
  6. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Serge in Israeli AFVs   
    Namer CEV (Combat Engineering Vehicle), also known in Hebrew as Namera, did its first exercise with the 7th brigade.
     
    Unfortunately with only 30 units produced per year, of Namer in all variants, it's going to take a long while.
     
    Meanwhile, here's footage of that exercise:
     
    https://a7.org/media/a7radio/misc/video/18/jan/WhatsApp0901.mp4
     
  7. Metal
    Mighty_Zuk reacted to Zyklon in General artillery, SPGs, MLRS and long range ATGMs thread.   
    PLZ-10?
     

  8. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Serge in Israeli AFVs   
  9. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk reacted to LoooSeR in Israeli AFVs   
    More:

     
  10. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from That_Baka in India's ARJUN tanks mostly broken   
    What were they thinking?
    Challenger 2's gun in a Leopard 2 turret and a T-72 hull with Leo 2's ammo safety features.
    All took about 35 years.
  11. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Zyklon in Israeli AFVs   
    Eitan and new years' update
      It's been a while since news came about any major development in AFVs in Israel. We're kept in the dark for now, about the artillery project, which seems to be delayed until inspection by the MoD is finished regarding corruption allegations.
      Eitan
    Costs half the price of a Namer. Costs 1/10th the engine-time of a Namer. Reached well over 100km/h on trials but may be limited to 60km/h in transportation mode as it's expected to drive on highways in emergency time rather than on HETs (Heavy Equipment Transporters). But the speed governor could also be removed when needed. MANTAK will present this month its recommendations for an APS for the Eitan - Iron Fist or Trophy, a decision said to be worth hundreds of millions of shekels (Every Trophy system costs 1 million shekels roughly, which is 300,000 USD). ERA as well as the passive composite armor are said to be sufficient against current threats. 3 screens are located inside the vehicle - 2 large "21 screens for the commander and driver, and 1 smaller one by the rear door. Engine could come from either MTU or Caterpillar. Initial operation capability in 2019. What this means
    For now a total of 500 Namers are planned. Some in service and some in production, albeit slow one. For the same price as another 500 (originally the IDF wanted 800 or more), over 1000 Eitans could be acquired which makes them more open to auxiliary duties such as mortar carriage, repair and maintenance, recovery and more, where the Namer would be too expensive. And since these duties require no turret and no APS, it could cost even 1/3rd as much as the Namer. Training a battalion worth of Namers would cost as much as 3 brigades of Eitans. Impressive savings, but these can be attributed probably to the fact the Namer's engine is the old AVDS-1790 which in its early iterations served the Patton tanks. No comment here, other than it being odd that they just gave it a top speed of 90km/h at first when it could do well over that. Previously they gave it a governed speed of 50km/h I believe, which now changed to 60km/h. Perhaps some automotive improvements they didn't disclose. This is a big one - we were promised way back in 2014 that RAFAEL and IMI will set aside their former rivalry in this exact topic but it seems now that the next generation of APS will no longer be a combination of both their systems, and rather would be another competition between the two. I don't know yet whether this is good or bad, but I do feel some disappointment. When talking about the Eitan, the military officials and media always refer to just one incident - the Shujaiya (Gaza) rocket attack that killed 7 men in an M113 troops transporter. The rocket was an RPG-29 (PG-29V). So if the IDF claims the Eitan can, without an APS, resist the RPG-29, then by all means this is an impressive feat. Generous claims are for 600mm penetration after ERA, and 750mm without ERA, which is quite substantial. Just like the Merkava 4, but unlike the Namer, the Eitan will have the BMS Tzayad (Hunter, marketed by Elbit as Torch) integrated into the main computer, laying everything on one screen in front of the commander. Though judging by the photos below alone, it's not yet obvious where the gunner's display is. Which probably means that an electric or hybrid engine is now off the table. The available offerings right now are: C18 and 6V 890    
    Eitan Namer     And for the first time in ever, the IDF released some statistics on its acquisition this year. It's not much, actually not enough even, but it's something.    The short list   The only two important bits are that the Merkava 4 and Namer are both produced at a rate of 30 vehicles per year, each. This makes sense for the Namer, which is due to have the 500th unit delivered by 2027, which means today there are ~200 units, but that's a really low number. At peak production, the plant could produce 120 Merkava tanks a year. And that was more than 30 years ago.   And that's it for today!     Source:
      https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5066561,00.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=yediot%20page&utm_campaign=facebook%20page
  12. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Zyklon in Israeli AFVs   
  13. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Belesarius in Israeli AFVs   
    Eitan and new years' update
      It's been a while since news came about any major development in AFVs in Israel. We're kept in the dark for now, about the artillery project, which seems to be delayed until inspection by the MoD is finished regarding corruption allegations.
      Eitan
    Costs half the price of a Namer. Costs 1/10th the engine-time of a Namer. Reached well over 100km/h on trials but may be limited to 60km/h in transportation mode as it's expected to drive on highways in emergency time rather than on HETs (Heavy Equipment Transporters). But the speed governor could also be removed when needed. MANTAK will present this month its recommendations for an APS for the Eitan - Iron Fist or Trophy, a decision said to be worth hundreds of millions of shekels (Every Trophy system costs 1 million shekels roughly, which is 300,000 USD). ERA as well as the passive composite armor are said to be sufficient against current threats. 3 screens are located inside the vehicle - 2 large "21 screens for the commander and driver, and 1 smaller one by the rear door. Engine could come from either MTU or Caterpillar. Initial operation capability in 2019. What this means
    For now a total of 500 Namers are planned. Some in service and some in production, albeit slow one. For the same price as another 500 (originally the IDF wanted 800 or more), over 1000 Eitans could be acquired which makes them more open to auxiliary duties such as mortar carriage, repair and maintenance, recovery and more, where the Namer would be too expensive. And since these duties require no turret and no APS, it could cost even 1/3rd as much as the Namer. Training a battalion worth of Namers would cost as much as 3 brigades of Eitans. Impressive savings, but these can be attributed probably to the fact the Namer's engine is the old AVDS-1790 which in its early iterations served the Patton tanks. No comment here, other than it being odd that they just gave it a top speed of 90km/h at first when it could do well over that. Previously they gave it a governed speed of 50km/h I believe, which now changed to 60km/h. Perhaps some automotive improvements they didn't disclose. This is a big one - we were promised way back in 2014 that RAFAEL and IMI will set aside their former rivalry in this exact topic but it seems now that the next generation of APS will no longer be a combination of both their systems, and rather would be another competition between the two. I don't know yet whether this is good or bad, but I do feel some disappointment. When talking about the Eitan, the military officials and media always refer to just one incident - the Shujaiya (Gaza) rocket attack that killed 7 men in an M113 troops transporter. The rocket was an RPG-29 (PG-29V). So if the IDF claims the Eitan can, without an APS, resist the RPG-29, then by all means this is an impressive feat. Generous claims are for 600mm penetration after ERA, and 750mm without ERA, which is quite substantial. Just like the Merkava 4, but unlike the Namer, the Eitan will have the BMS Tzayad (Hunter, marketed by Elbit as Torch) integrated into the main computer, laying everything on one screen in front of the commander. Though judging by the photos below alone, it's not yet obvious where the gunner's display is. Which probably means that an electric or hybrid engine is now off the table. The available offerings right now are: C18 and 6V 890    
    Eitan Namer     And for the first time in ever, the IDF released some statistics on its acquisition this year. It's not much, actually not enough even, but it's something.    The short list   The only two important bits are that the Merkava 4 and Namer are both produced at a rate of 30 vehicles per year, each. This makes sense for the Namer, which is due to have the 500th unit delivered by 2027, which means today there are ~200 units, but that's a really low number. At peak production, the plant could produce 120 Merkava tanks a year. And that was more than 30 years ago.   And that's it for today!     Source:
      https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5066561,00.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=yediot%20page&utm_campaign=facebook%20page
  14. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Collimatrix in Israeli AFVs   
  15. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Bronezhilet in Israeli AFVs   
    Eitan and new years' update
      It's been a while since news came about any major development in AFVs in Israel. We're kept in the dark for now, about the artillery project, which seems to be delayed until inspection by the MoD is finished regarding corruption allegations.
      Eitan
    Costs half the price of a Namer. Costs 1/10th the engine-time of a Namer. Reached well over 100km/h on trials but may be limited to 60km/h in transportation mode as it's expected to drive on highways in emergency time rather than on HETs (Heavy Equipment Transporters). But the speed governor could also be removed when needed. MANTAK will present this month its recommendations for an APS for the Eitan - Iron Fist or Trophy, a decision said to be worth hundreds of millions of shekels (Every Trophy system costs 1 million shekels roughly, which is 300,000 USD). ERA as well as the passive composite armor are said to be sufficient against current threats. 3 screens are located inside the vehicle - 2 large "21 screens for the commander and driver, and 1 smaller one by the rear door. Engine could come from either MTU or Caterpillar. Initial operation capability in 2019. What this means
    For now a total of 500 Namers are planned. Some in service and some in production, albeit slow one. For the same price as another 500 (originally the IDF wanted 800 or more), over 1000 Eitans could be acquired which makes them more open to auxiliary duties such as mortar carriage, repair and maintenance, recovery and more, where the Namer would be too expensive. And since these duties require no turret and no APS, it could cost even 1/3rd as much as the Namer. Training a battalion worth of Namers would cost as much as 3 brigades of Eitans. Impressive savings, but these can be attributed probably to the fact the Namer's engine is the old AVDS-1790 which in its early iterations served the Patton tanks. No comment here, other than it being odd that they just gave it a top speed of 90km/h at first when it could do well over that. Previously they gave it a governed speed of 50km/h I believe, which now changed to 60km/h. Perhaps some automotive improvements they didn't disclose. This is a big one - we were promised way back in 2014 that RAFAEL and IMI will set aside their former rivalry in this exact topic but it seems now that the next generation of APS will no longer be a combination of both their systems, and rather would be another competition between the two. I don't know yet whether this is good or bad, but I do feel some disappointment. When talking about the Eitan, the military officials and media always refer to just one incident - the Shujaiya (Gaza) rocket attack that killed 7 men in an M113 troops transporter. The rocket was an RPG-29 (PG-29V). So if the IDF claims the Eitan can, without an APS, resist the RPG-29, then by all means this is an impressive feat. Generous claims are for 600mm penetration after ERA, and 750mm without ERA, which is quite substantial. Just like the Merkava 4, but unlike the Namer, the Eitan will have the BMS Tzayad (Hunter, marketed by Elbit as Torch) integrated into the main computer, laying everything on one screen in front of the commander. Though judging by the photos below alone, it's not yet obvious where the gunner's display is. Which probably means that an electric or hybrid engine is now off the table. The available offerings right now are: C18 and 6V 890    
    Eitan Namer     And for the first time in ever, the IDF released some statistics on its acquisition this year. It's not much, actually not enough even, but it's something.    The short list   The only two important bits are that the Merkava 4 and Namer are both produced at a rate of 30 vehicles per year, each. This makes sense for the Namer, which is due to have the 500th unit delivered by 2027, which means today there are ~200 units, but that's a really low number. At peak production, the plant could produce 120 Merkava tanks a year. And that was more than 30 years ago.   And that's it for today!     Source:
      https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5066561,00.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=yediot%20page&utm_campaign=facebook%20page
  16. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from SH_MM in Israeli AFVs   
  17. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from LoooSeR in Israeli AFVs   
  18. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Donward in General AFV Thread   
    1982, 1st Lebanon war:
     

  19. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Zyklon in Israeli AFVs   
    Dusting off the Namer

  20. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from LoooSeR in Israeli AFVs   
    From 1996:
     

  21. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from That_Baka in Tank Layout   
    quick guesses: primer failure resulting in a dud. Although would still require an open breech.
    excessive barrel bending causing fuze setting inside the barrel.
    Cracks in the breech causing rupture.
    Could be either, or none.
    Oh and that's a T-55. Old platform coupled with poor maintenance can have deadly results.
  22. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from That_Baka in Tank Layout   
    Overhead turrets make sense maybe up to 30mm. At 40mm and above, it gets bulky and has to take up hull space.
     
    The only 40mm turret that is planned to be overhead, is the one designed for the Eitan IFV. However, there's still the option for 30mm, so it may or may not prove to be feasible.
     
    Overhead cannons don't seem to be the way to go for large calibers either, as while less vulnerable than unmanned ones in theory, they are doomed to fail in urban combat or even prove too vulnerable to artillery.
  23. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from That_Baka in Israeli AFVs   
    Someone claims to be personally familiar with the incident - says it occurred in 2006 after an ATGM hit the powerpack section. Fire was put out quickly enough, engine replaced and it returned to service very shortly after.
     
    I don't know what kind of data and statistics MANTAK have, and I know they make overall very practical decisions, but I think it's about time the LFP gets some armor. The hull is too tall to neglect that area and focus all the frontal armor on the UFP.

     
     
  24. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from Zyklon in Israeli AFVs   
    Below the drum we see a schematics of the hull ammo rack, along with different colors and markings to tell which shells are where. 
    The controller shows the number '6', which may indicate how many shells are left in the drum.
  25. Tank You
    Mighty_Zuk got a reaction from SH_MM in Israeli AFVs   
    Someone claims to be personally familiar with the incident - says it occurred in 2006 after an ATGM hit the powerpack section. Fire was put out quickly enough, engine replaced and it returned to service very shortly after.
     
    I don't know what kind of data and statistics MANTAK have, and I know they make overall very practical decisions, but I think it's about time the LFP gets some armor. The hull is too tall to neglect that area and focus all the frontal armor on the UFP.

     
     
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