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Krieger22 got a reaction from Proyas in Upgrading tanks that have steel armor
"Enough to retain structural integrity for the rest of the tank that isn't (N)ERA, with frontal arc also functioning as a backstop for HEAT's remaining penetration"
The "excess steel armor" problem came around due to increasingly powerful HEAT shells and ATGMs, their relative inaccuracy asides. If one of those connected, they would probably go through a lot more steel than you could reasonably fit on a tank.
The Germans and French responded with the Leopard 1 and AMX-30, which were intended to trade armor for speed to get out of the line of fire with. The British had Chieftain, which relied on sloping to hopefully deflect was fired at them (this didn't work, hence Stilbrew). The Americans had the M60, which was designed for fused silica that would probably be pretty effective against period HEAT, but was never built with it.
Leo 1 and the AMX-30 don't have much of an excess steel problem, but they don't have the growth space for significant upgrades due to how light they are. Chieftain... well, eventually a version of the design shorn of most steel armor and replaced with Chobham, and with hydropneumatic suspension became Challenger. M60s soldiered on for far longer than they should have in US service no thanks to MBT-70. Marine Corps M60A1s eventually got an ERA kit (apparently not Blazer) in time for Desert Storm, but remaining stocks were rapidly sold off afterwards. Israeli M60s (Magachs) got very extensive (N)ERA upgrades following the agonizing experiences of Yom Kippur. Sabra is a further evolution of late Magach design principles, but it's really close to the absolute maximum you can do with an M60, assuming it's not already there.
You may have noticed that I didn't mention Soviet tanks. Starting from the T-64 on, all of them had NERA protection on the frontal arc. BDD kits with similar (if not identical) working principles to Chobham were made available for T-54/55s and T-62s as well, although never for export.
EDIT: General Dynamics actually did propose your suggestion of putting a new turret on an old tank with the M60-2000, an M60 hull with an M1A1 turret. Nobody bought it.
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Lord_James in General AFV Thread
Low Light Level Television camera: https://books.google.com.my/books?id=isPvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT22&lpg=PT22&dq=pzb+200+llltv&source=bl&ots=tWo9fQQnMs&sig=ACfU3U0t3hkImCKXbiSJvP7NdO6S5a1r7A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi39Nu9iOHgAhVLrY8KHSpgDiYQ6AEwD3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=pzb 200 llltv&f=false
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Karamazov in United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Ramlaen in United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Collimatrix in Aerospace Pictures and Art Thread
Coming soon to a USAF aggressor squadron near you
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Scolopax in Aerospace and Ordnance discussion/news.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/09/defense-patrick-shanahan-boeing-pentagon-1064203
Shanahan's already managed to attract scrutiny for perceived bias
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Krieger22 reacted to Ramlaen in Dealing with declassified/classified/secret data
If you broke the rules on another forum is this really the place to complain about it?
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Donward in General news thread
https://reut.rs/2CNNWMY?
Aussie man yells at spider he's trying to kill, winds up having neighbor call police on him
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Laviduce in General Naval Warfare News/Technology thread.
Vice Admiral Scott Stearney, commander of US Naval Forces Central Command, US Fifth Fleet and Combined Maritime Forces, was found dead at his residence
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-admiral-scott-stearney-found-dead-bahrain-no-foul-play-n942611
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Jeeps_Guns_Tanks in Celebrities that are now dead
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450
Farewell, Stan Lee
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Donward in Celebrities that are now dead
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450
Farewell, Stan Lee
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Belesarius in Celebrities that are now dead
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450
Farewell, Stan Lee
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect in The Saudi Arabia is a Backwards, Laughable Shithole Thread
https://apnews.com/094178ff98c34dfa89b372c963193757
Two Saudi sisters living in Virginia apply for political asylum in August, disappear, and then were just found dead on the banks of the Hudson River with their bodies taped together.
And because the Saudis don't care about not incriminating themselves anymore, the Embassy urged their mother to return to Saudi Arabia the day before their bodies were discovered, stating that the sisters had applied for asylum.
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Krieger22 got a reaction from Belesarius in General news thread
https://www.apnews.com/007f5a47c9774adf8f180bf096a7d9f1
Yet another GRU opsec failure, this time leaving the pension authorities wondering if there was some sort of pension fraud going on
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