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  1.    Laviduce reacted to a post in a topic: AMX-30 B/B2: CBRN housing, gun, interior, APS, gearbox
  2. DarkLabor
    Well, I have a spotty collection, so don't expect anything comprehensive. In that case, I discovered that I did not have the Saumur AMX 30 B hull leaflet (figures)... Hope this will be helpful :
  3. DarkLabor
    You are right, it doesn't make sense for a perfect protection. But in the end, the client is almighty. Depending on his choices, the modifications can be cost-effective with minimal changes. Or it can be an entire overhaul with high expenses (price and mass-balance). Since yesterday, I checked some photos of the "nude" tanks that received the CLARA packages. And it seems (to me at least) that the skirts are indeed slightly different. So you may be right regarding the passive skirt armor.
  4. DarkLabor
    Yes DND provides the ERA packages but there is another modification that got made. And I don't think Nexter got contracted for it... Once again, it is not necessary to look far : https://dn-defence.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NEW_Folder_DND_Protection-scaled.jpg My best guess is that they did not touch the first 7 elements. And only sub-contracted GEKE for the 3 at the back, plus attach points...
  5. DarkLabor
    Regarding the AMX 30 capability to fire illuminating rounds, I don't think so... That kind of task was more for the ART support with their 155. In terms of night fighting capability it was more direct illumination through PH8 projector (vis./IR) Indirect fire was also done with M1 quadrant. Regarding operation Daguet, the AMX 30 B2s were equiped with counter-measures not APS (as defined by today's standards).
  6.    Laviduce reacted to a post in a topic: French flair
  7. DarkLabor
    Just look at the next vehicle they quote, you can fairly piece it together.
  8. DarkLabor
    A former worker is much more credible when he, unlike any parties in presence (competitors + judge) , did show me his videos of the competition. The tank losing the accompaniment vehicle. The fixing process on the hull, etc. In addition, the guy who supposedly leaked info on the armor protection said that they made, on their own, some changes to the armor protection of the Leclerc. Yet the 3D model shown was a Giat Industries one used to make a counter proposal on the protection requirements of the swedes. Regarding the suspicion of bribery with the aid of Al Yousef, this has been under reinforced investigation and nothing has been found so far. Giat Industries continues to abide french laws wich led to the dispute in the first place. Do not mistake lobying with corruption. But I give you that the comissions made are sickening for business reporting and marketing...
  9. DarkLabor
    I am in touch with some former worker of Giat Industries and have some details on what happened. That's how I know one of the Leclerc got its chassis damaged and not the suspension (as claimed the swedes...). I also have the confirmation that, at the time, the Leclerc performed poorly in mobility due to the defect of a temperature sensor that induced surging on multiple occasions. In addition, the tanks sent there were NOT prototypes, they were batch 1 tanks (a pre-series despite what say the engineers). I still maintain that weight is not a gage of efficiency of the armor. There is so many mecanisms that enter into play to defeat a penetrator that it is difficult to make a clear statement. But the example of a large slab of a dense material compared to an array of same thickness having a succession of sandwiches (dense material + rubber + dense material). Overall the slab of dense material is more dense than the array having rubber and air inbetween the sandwiches. Yet the array will be more efficient to defeat a penetrator, because it will disrupt it. The succession of different densities will also reduce greatly the kinetic energy.
  10. DarkLabor
    They asked for quotations, and maybe got demoed a live fire of said protection in each country. But they did NOT use the different packages for their own testings... They got rigs to put THEIR OWN layouts so they could test on their own but that's about it. NOTHING developped by the different competitors have been tested BY THE SWEDES THEMSELF. What do you want? A full volume made out of the strongest/the most dense alloy you can ever make? (yay, check mate engineers!) That is silly! You have sandwiches that can shear the penetrator (presenting fresh armor as the penetrator is advancing). You can set up your layout so that a large dense chuck can deform the penetrator, backed by a set of disruptors that will shear the penetrator in a different direction, backed by a lightweight high tensile buffer... In the age of composite armor, the mass is nearly irrelevant (totally regarding HEAT protection; a little less for KE protection).
  11. DarkLabor
    Your lack of knowledge regarding the different stages of the trials is kinda cute. That's not a pure competition à la Strong Europe Tank Challenge where the winner is designated at the end of the "field activities". Nor the competitors have eyes on what could happen behind the rug. They don't clearly know what other competitors have put on the table. Never been educated with crayolas, always pencil and eraser. Never stated that the Leclerc was "perfect" far from it. That is one of your inventions to drag the argument where you want it to be. The Leclerc is a compromise that suited the french army at the end of the cold war (sadly not anymore). It's greatest drawbacks are : -Complexity to use (complexity that serves as anti-theft and complexity induced by the system of systems) -Low ground footprint (forcing to weight every evolution to minimize the increase of ground pressure) -Of course the ridiculous number produced and the lack of family to drag down the prices on "consumables"... The designers of the Leclerc have set every armor modules with a set of mass efficient // volume efficient materials it's protection efficiency varies independently of the thickness. Nothing like what the swedes did with their simulation. The Leclerc has smaller armor packages with more dense materials. In that case, the weight of the turret itself is not a good indicator...
  12. DarkLabor
    KMW already showed evidence of corruption during the greek trials; that would not be impossible that they did the same thing with the swedes... But yeah keep drawing sunshine and rainbows with your crayolas...
  13. DarkLabor
    In what world do you live? The Swedes had the opportunity to add "production under license" in their requirements yet they ignored the propositions and threw their industry under the truck by just buying from the germans (the trials in itself was a mean to appease the industrials that were complaining). In addition, they managed lose the accompaniment vehicle of Giat Industries and during that time, they managed to damage the hull of a Leclerc... It was written that the suspension was damaged yet those fools didn't even managed to damage it. The impact was so strong that the nitrogen spheres went up to 1400 bars (were the french STAT managed to go up to 900 bars with their testings) and the bolt holes of the suspension units had been deformed... Hell, even recently, the "armor assessment" "leaked" is just BS. The swedes just 3D modeled however they wanted and put their armor composition in their simulation. Apparently from what I'm reading, you live in the world of care bears & Co...
  14.    Molota_477 reacted to a post in a topic: French flair
  15. DarkLabor
    Well, I never heard of it. This doesn't mean that it never happenned. It could have happenned in punctual manner to validate or gather additionnal data... There is A LOT of things that the constructor (or the DGA!) experimented that has not been revealed to the public.
  16.    Molota_477 reacted to a post in a topic: French flair
  17. DarkLabor
    While there is no radar on this photography, the MSC used to carry a ballistic radar to collect data. Never heard or seen anything like this on the prototypes or the first batches...
  18. DarkLabor
    Alright! Thanks for this precision! Not the first time eSim Games writes down wrong stuff...
  19. DarkLabor
    Errr... Welcome in the 1990s... Congrats! More seriously is this a full switch from hydraulic to electric or a just a handiwork to ease the power management? The ideal situation would be to remove all the hydraulic system to replace it with batteries accumulators and the double set of electric motor + gearbox (traverse & elevation). But who knows their limitations in space & budget...
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