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  1. Dunno what they've done... But for sure they left behind the car with G.I. workers and went full throttle. The technicians who were there were forced to REWORK the HULL. The suspension resisted the shock(s?) but the bolt holes were badly damaged. It took them a whole night with the tank on hydaulic lift to fix everything... At the time, the T1s sent there were equipped with instrumental suspension to gather data. The swedes managed to go up to 1400 bars in the nitrogen spheres (STAT members, who were not gentle people, didn't even go beyond 900 bars)... The incident got sent back to the higher ups and the president of G.I., with the support of the swedish industrials*, made a formal complaint. * At the time rumors were circulating that the swedish army was going to adopt the Leopard 2 no matter what; swedish industrials were left behind with no options. (Sauce : "La gabegie" by Pierre Chiquet Ed. Albin Michel)
  2. Swedish first and foremost. You just don't give CAD and armor composition to potential customers... Otherwise, you would lose the intel warfare and give away your Achilles heel. At best you give them quotes with protection levels but thats about it (rough estimates or minimal protection offered under certain angles). So these drawings are what the swedish army thought the armor protection was with their best indigenous layouts. This hasn't been made by Giat Industries for sure, the silhouette of the crew compartment should be a smaller with such angle. There is a dead space that hasn't been taken into account by the swedes.
  3. DarkLabor

    French flair

    Some Leclerc crews having fun in Lithuania and setting positions in the woods :
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    Contemporary Western Tank Rumble!

    Is that an official press organism because, some statements are pure BS. All trials are crew based which allows to have three and four man crews without disparity in the scoring. Nobody from French Army got sent to Graffenwöhr after the fact. Spotting targets... they mean the SITREP trial??? It's just a dumb biathlon... They run in circle, shoot stuff. Get penalties if they miss...
  5. DarkLabor

    Contemporary Western Tank Rumble!

    Tank biathlon has WARPACT procedures?! BEST-JOKE-EVER!!!
  6. You're looking too far. Just look at what has already been produced in terms of tanks. [Edit] Apparently you have a really hard time to see that the storage boxes have been changed to "hide the crime"
  7. E-MBT is just two parts of two MBTs duck taped together to please investors. The REAL work is within the tank to make it work as one. Armor is out of the windows as long as there is no confirmed customer. If there are no customers, this vehicle may become a test bed for futur development for MGCS.
  8. DarkLabor

    [Question] About AMX 10 RC transmission

    Thanks for your assessment! I'm definately not an engine guy.
  9. Storage boxes are not part of the armor package. They contribute to the protection against CE, but they are no armor.
  10. Yeah a storage box has been changed, you deduce the armor protection is completely changed... What a tremendous change... ... ...
  11. That's the specs of the engineers that worked on it. Every modification from serie 1 to the third (SXXI) always took the balance of both gun tube and turret into consideration. End of the story. Sure there is no 100% percent proof but we know the mindset and means of the one who made it.
  12. DarkLabor

    [Question] About AMX 10 RC transmission

    Not stacked with technical documentations on the AMX 10 RC but maybe that one will help you :
  13. Whuuuut? There is no rework regarding the armor. It's just the turret of a tropicalised Leclerc on a Léopard 2A7 hull with an adaptator and a rework of how the two communicate together... The later prototype was labelled as "standard european tank - french version" dunno about that one...
  14. Waste of weight and space. Unless you find some equipment to strap to the gun to add weight (such as elevation mechanism, air compressor for the bore evacuator and stud deflector, coax, etc.) to counter balance the gun. Nope you're wrong. The 130 & 140 are on the table not on the demonstrator.
  15. The design of the Leclerc allows a more convenient gun balance (on or very close to the trunnions axis). This allows the minimize momentums. The turret is balanced as well to control any momentum to achieve the same controls over momentums. Turret traverse and gun elevation have high acceleration rate (~45°/s²) dispite the 30°/s max speed. The autoloader allows a constant rate of fire whatever the tank is doing. I'll stop here, I'll skip FCS and suspension because, they have proven their values. The thing is none of the persons here can judge the value of any tanks because the hardware hasn't been shown into their worst conditions. Abrams, Challenger 2, Leclerc, Léopard 2 and others have just fired at worst on bumpy dirt roads with the crews doing all the SOP requirements to ensure a steady speed and minimise the vibrations. No matter what the competitions or tests have shown, people always forget that there is a huge piece of meatware that seats between the seat and the handelbar that can f**k things up... I won't hide that I consider the human loader as a risk at high speed high bumpiness. But in real combat, the pace of engagement is much slower than we think.
  16. DarkLabor

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    Satory VII (1979) : https://imgur.com/a/4Kika8l
  17. DarkLabor


    ̶W̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶d̶ ̶(̶d̶r̶i̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶l̶e̶f̶t̶,̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶)̶.̶ Nevermind.
  18. DarkLabor

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    In the case of the Swedish trials there are quite some infomations to put together in order to understand what happenned there (or could happened). First the tanks used there, are the two first productions tanks (batch 1). These tanks were made as the production lines were being qualified in order to mass produce. The "activation" of those tanks were made at Satory workshop in order to have a decent QA. Second, those tanks were in the UAE right before the Swedish trials, they performed endurance tests in desertic conditions without problems (~ 800km). Both Giat Industries and the "customer" fired the tanks day and night with satisfying results. Third, S1 tanks (at least the first two batches) were known for their engine unreliabilities. Those were a combinaison of multiple sensors that either put the engine in damage control mod (an iron filling sensor in the engine block) or induced an inadequate air pressure in the engine leading to surging (an air temperature sensor). The iron filling sensor was purely removed on later batches due to its uselessness. The air temperature sensor reliability was enhanced. Fourth, from what I heard, the swedish crew sent to train on the Leclerc arrived in winter 1992 where the others arrived during summer 1992. I believe this is linked to the fact that the trials in the UAE were in progress during the summer. But what about the level of proficiency of the crew?
  19. DarkLabor

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    Here some scans from the Satory VI (1977) catalog : https://imgur.com/a/zfjSNwm