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Pardus

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  1. Pardus

    The Leopard 2 Thread

    That's the boresight tool, I need official info on the EMES-15 primary sight
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Does anyone have detailed & sourced specifications for the Leopard 2's EMES-15 sight?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Hello Laviduce, Disappointingly the people I were able to talk to when there simply didnt know the information you requested, and taking any measurements was rendered impossible by all the military personnel around. However I found out that there's a tank musuem nearby with a Leopard 2A4 on exhibition that I might be able to get access to and there are likely to be experts on the tank there too.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Alright guys, I will be attending something called Ă…ben Hede in Denmark tommorrow where the Leopard 2 will be doing some live exercises and you can walk around the tanks and so forth. If there's anything you guys want me to ask or achieve whilst there just let me know today.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Thanks SM_HH, That atleast seem to validate the use of an inner wall, and supposedly with NERA. Would you happen to have information on the thickness of the hull below the sponsons? Narod.ru puts it at 50mm RHA, however are there any measurements to back this up?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    A closer look from the other side which seems to indicate that there is a inner wall:
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    A close up picture of the rear turret bustle being worked on: Notice the lip formed by the plate overhang, what does this indicate? Is the turret bustle armour really not 90mm thick? or is the particular turret simply missing the inner wall plate at the moment of picture?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    An illustration of what I believe is likely the armour layout of the Leopard 2's sponsons: Again this is based on the Leopard 2AV and 2K protection scheme as well as the actual protection scheme present on the Leopard 2 at the NBC unit.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    I think they are the lower mounting points yes, however I still think they might indicate how thick the outer plate is going to be by how much they extend over the sponson floor. And again ofcourse it simply wouldn't make sense not to secure the fuel tanks (a critical component) from smallarms fire, as even 5.56 NATO green tip will penetrate 10mm of armour at 100m, 7.62 NATO AP 15mm, and finally .50 BMG up to 22.2mm of FHA. Now since I seem to recall reading that the Leopard was designed to be immune to 20mm fire from the sides, I believe that indicates at atleast a 40-50mm RHAe protection for the fuel tanks, which could be achieved for example via a 12mm outer high hardness plate + a thicker 30mm one spaced behind it, just like on the 2K and 2AV and seemingly also exactly the type of protection fround on the aircon/filtration system hatch, i.e. a ~12mm outer plate with a ~30mm plate spaced behind it. In summary since the Leopard 2K and 2AV both featured ample amount of spaced armour to protect their fuel cells, and since the NBC hatch on the Leo 2 actually features this same type of spaced protection, I think it's only logical that the production variant followed suit here or even slightly improved upon it for the fuel tank section.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Also just noticed the following: Note: I think the six squares at the edge of the left sponson indicate the thickness of the plate here, which to me looks like ~30mm. This also makes the most sense in terms of protecting the fuel tanks from being ruptured by smallarms or HMG fire. To corroborate this theory there seems to be at least that amount of protection on the aircon system hatch:
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Sounds good Rohr!
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    10mm sponsons?? Are you sure? I mean the fuel cells are right behind it, that would make them vulnerable to be penetrated and ruptured even by regular small arms fire. That can't be right, esp. for a MBT. Looking at the welding lines in real life the sponson sides look like they were at least 30mm thick.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Btw, does anyone here possess or know the accurate armour protection of the Leopard 2A4 in these areas?:
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    @Rohrkrepierer I had a look through the report you sent me, however there's something I don't understand, which is that the DM33 penetration performance changes from 470mm to 480mm between these two charts:
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Alright, PM me ?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Is it this?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Ok, would you be able to share it?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Well that's assuming Lanz Odermatt's equation is 100% applicable to the most recent penetrator designs. I mean we have plenty of figures showing penetration past the length of the rod, so...
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    But those figures are based on Russian estimates, which if we look at the numbers for the DM53 don't look particularly realistic. Infact AFAIK the true penetration performance of the DM13 and DM23 (let alone DM33, 43 and 53/63) is still not known. A current Leopard 2 tanker mentioned 1,000+ mm RHAe LOS penetration for the DM63 through the L/55.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Yeah the base upper front hull is just 40mm, but those blocks of armour they added on looked like they were ~50mm thick. But if you measured them at 40mm I'm ofcourse gonna have to bow to that as I only eyeballed it.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    I'd expect atleast 350mm RHAe in the center if we're talking 420mm composite + 240mm solid titanium (660mm LOS). The edges of the mantlet area could present as high a value as 400mm RHAe considering the 240-280mm RHA turret armour behind the 420mm mantlet: PS: Went and sat in a Leopard 2A5DK today and had the opportunity to eyeball the thickness of the add on armour on the upper hull. These blocks of armour looked atleast 5cm thick, probably more. So the upper hull on the newer leopards is very strong. Also had a good 5 min in the gunners position, and I must say the gunners optics are excellent, extremely crisp (no LCD screen for the gunner in the tank I sat in though). Also noted a small joystick to the right of the gunners control handle, not sure what that was for?
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    To me 350mm RHAe equivalent seems likely considering the 420mm mantlet + 240mm solid titanium block behind it. If the engineers at KM didnt want the mantlet to be a weakspot there's also every reason to believe that they put thicker NERA blocks in there.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    That's indeed a plausible explanation for the Leo crew member listing such a number (eventhough those add on pieces look a lot thicker ), but I don't understand how narid.ru got it so wrong then? Also I've noticed that there's a form of turret guard spanning across the forward hull top that often seems to be overlooked:
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Thanks Laviduce! I am wondering how they arrived at the 70mm front turret roof? A leopard crew memeber said it was a 70mm slab of RHA stretching up until around the commander & loaders hatch. And the guy at narod.ru apparently measured it at that thickness too? In the tank he measured there doesn't appear to be a spall liner there: Would be nice to get that one cleared up.
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    The Leopard 2 Thread

    Hello guys, came over from the WT forums after I stumbled upon this site via google whilst searching for material on the Leopard 2 MBT. I have some questions regarding the top armor of the Leopard, and I created this color map in order to split up each section: My questions are: a) did I section things correctly b) what are the correct thickness values for each section I read that the front part of the turret roof is 70mm thick angled at 7 deg over at narod.ru and by a former Leo crew member. Furthermore I can visibly see that the upper front hull is some ~10mm thicker than the 30mm thick drivers hatch. Thanks!
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