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Kal

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  1. 2 hours ago, DIADES said:

    .. am struggling to understand what anybody posting might imagine that this topic has not been thrashed to bits by the ADF already....

    well, Qld was able to buy a shiney new fleet of illegal trains...New Queensland train delivery doomed 'from day one', inquiry chief declares - ABC News  I'm not so confident that Australian procurement won''t overlook the obvious.

     

    I'm happy with boxer for CRV, pretty good odds that where ADF boxer goes, UK boxer is nearby. 

    but for M113 replacement,  i want USA/Korean.  

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  2. 6 minutes ago, SH_MM said:

    Again, Nammo makes ammunition with links suitable for Rheinmetall's cannon, ammunition which is used with Rheinmetall cannon. General Dynamics makes ammunition used and compatible with the MK-30/1, pretending that they could never supply ammunition for the MK-30/2 - just because they would need a new steel catridge - is silly.

    Its not a question of do others supply it, its a question of would Australian defense even consider it.

     

    back to land 400 phase 2 

    Joint media release - Prime Minister, Minister for Defence Industry and Minister for Defence - New Vehicles to protect our troops and create 1450 jobs | Department of Defence Ministers

    'The Government will spend $5.2 billion to acquire the 211 vehicles, which will replace the Army’s current ageing Australian Light Armoured Vehicle fleet.

    Over the 30-year life of the vehicles, Australian industry will secure two thirds, or $10.2 billion, of the total investment in acquiring and maintaining the fleet'

    they won't nickel and dime on the ammo, when they are spending this type of money, the risk reward is just not there for procurement.

  3. 1 hour ago, SH_MM said:

    There isn't any reason why Hanwha is more open to customization and integration/qualifying parts of different suppliers than Rheinmetall.

     

    RE 30 mm ammo: Nammo for example supplies 30 x 173 mm rounds for the MK-30/2 as mounted on Ascod.

    yeah nah.

     

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    Ammunition with ammunition belt for Bushmaster II cannon (top) and for Rheinmetall MK 30-2 cannon (bottom) | CZD archive

     

    It would be uncharacterically bold for australia defense procurement to purchase 30mm ammo that was not canon's maker's preferred,  even more so if the links are different.

     

    since 30mm ammo comes as belts in boxes, just hope we don't need to rely on NATO partners fors overseas deployment.

     

    Its a situation of damned if we do, damned if we don't.

     

     

     

     

     

  4. On 12/5/2020 at 7:16 AM, DIADES said:

    nothing to do with how many products or projects a Prime has - that is their business model.  They all have long (15 years plus) support contracts and they use the IP stick to stop CoA sourcing work on their platforms from others.  Hanwha will do exactly the same for the same reasons.

     

    The saying is "give the vehicles to the customer for free, as long as they sign a support contract, that is where the money is!"

     

    yeah, but CoA is going to have 3 obvious choices for turret upgrades, particulary for counter UAV tech,  EOS, Elbit and Hanwha are all excelent choices,   vs Rheinmetall where its going to be a sucker's price later on.   Similar with any future armour upgrades, Redback is essentially a prequalified panel of providers, whereas Lynx is locked in sole source.

     

    similarly with ammo, Rheinmetall 30mm gun with proprietary non-nato linkage, no pay no fire.

  5. On 12/3/2020 at 7:13 PM, DIADES said:

    Easy - no facility.  NADA.  I would love to be proved wrong so somebody tell me where hanwha has actually spent any money in Australia?  Anybody seen any ads on Seek etc for Engineers even?  Nope,

     

    Like I say, somebody please show me any evidence of actual spend.  All I can see is old school spend nothing, win, do the Project, shut down and bugger off.

    if you want i could link seek ads for elbit and eos Elbit Jobs in All Australia - SEEK  Eos asx Jobs in All Australia - SEEK  

     

    in all seriousness, at a distance the Redback and the Lynx seem both good items,  both comparable enough that if the products were switched (ie Lynx were to be Hanwha and Redback were to be Rheinmetall) it wouldn't change much,  a very different story to phase 2 where the Boxer was obviously the better vehicle for Australia's needs.  The problem is that by going with Rheinmetall again, as a country we will just be asking to be screwed on price for any and every upgrade.  Rheinmetall is smart, they will look us up and down and work out a price high enough that some other project in defense gotta be cancelled when we need an additional feature that was not part of original contract.  So even though I'm now a Queenslander i still think the Redback is the better option for Australia.

     

    look, I'm no longer impartial, I had to wait until EOS was large enough before my super allowed be to allow me to buy into it,  so i got some EOS shares now in my super,  the choice as I see it, is that either Australia gets the Lynx but can't afford the later upgrades to counter UAV goodness, or Australia gets the redback and both affords and will soon enough get the upgrade to counter UAV goodness, some including freaking lasers. EOS-Mopoke-Full-Spectrum-CUAS-Capabilities-Web.pdf (eos-aus.com)

     

    because if War comes our backyard, the UAV content will make Nagorno-Karabakh seem like stroll in the park.

    anyone will be able an purchase export equivalent to www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma3ya_lqCLM

     

     

     

  6. On 11/24/2020 at 1:21 AM, Zadlo said:

    I'm interested how good K21 would be as a torch in engagements against North Korean armour with such a lot composites in a structure.

     

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    DEFENSE STUDIES: Flaws in K21 Design Confirmed (defense-studies.blogspot.com)

    point is, K21 is meant to swim, so it can't be that heavily protected.

    presumably good sensors and great firepower should be +ve

    north and south korea is an artillary location,  other kinetic threats are of a less prioritised nature.

     

  7. On 11/15/2020 at 8:39 PM, DIADES said:

    But - where do you put the ammunition?  This is the eternal question in turret design.  30 to 35 does not sound like much but it would result is a drastic drop in stowed kills.  The 35 is bigger in dia and longer and heavier.  These parameters directly impact how many rounds can be carried.  They also indirectly impact.  Heavier, bigger round means more difficulties in stowage and feed and case ejection

    Isn't the ammo stored as coils of linked rounds?  If so, wouldn't the round that fills the storage most efficently be the best ammo going forward as in the future, electronics will mean its cheaper for fused rounds that go bang at the target.  Less rounds but more total volume shrapnel cloud.

     

    But if the intent is to suppress using a saw gun, the more rounds the better, which means less diameter.

     

    Not even taking into account the possibilty of the turret being optimised for a particular length vs another length round.  Perhaps 2 stacked coils of 30mm vs 1 coil of 35/50mm. (Does seem unlikely)

     

  8. Google gave

    3.4.4.2.1 Main Weapon - General
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    'The Vehicle is required to suppress enemy vehicles at a distance of 2000 metres for 3 minutes to allow for another friendly unit to position and engage the enemy vehicle. It is assumed that the Vehicle main weapon will fire 9 rounds every 10 seconds during suppression and after three minutes still have ready rounds available.'

     

     

  9. On 11/14/2020 at 6:51 AM, SH_MM said:

     

    Note that in this image, there is a steel coverplate at the side of the module. If this is identical in size to the actual armor (or a bit larger) is hard to tell.

     

     

     

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    approx the slots represent the gaps between sandwich layers,   4 gaps would be 5 n?ra layers (roof) 

    so for the side there is  4 gaps would be 5 n?ra layers + spacing or

    5 gaps would be 6 n?ra layers but no after space

    so they are tuning the performance as they want

  10. What ever mk4 turret armour is,  my philosphy given such a good performance of slera,nera,nxra etc etc relative to structual armour, is that every kg devoted to structual armour is a kg that is not available for replacable slera.   Obviously the base armour needs to support reaction forces from a 120mm tank gun, so part of it will be chunky,  but in general,  Merk 4 appears to have a lot of armour all around and over the turret - something pay for that weight wise.

     

    for instance, other western tanks have an outer burster plate holding their NERA but Merk 4 turret outerplate is sandwich n?ra instead. 

  11. 16 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

    Not sure about perfomance of this missile, but loitering AA missile possible purpose is to area denial for UAV. Missile is being fired when drone is spotted in area, but exact location is unknown, IMO.

    without knowing the size of the missle, I'm guessing they could launch it from the back of a Toyota...

    And ferry them around using a motorbike.   perhaps launch from rooftop like oversize manpad.

  12. On 10/3/2020 at 1:57 AM, Sten said:

    I've heard before of the threat prohibiting weapons in the region and assumed that 1: it's BS and 2: If it wasn't no one would give a crap because it's stupid... reality sure can be weird.

     

    rules of engagement, no guns. hand to hand mellee only, regular breaks to retrieve dead bodies.

     

    and its easy to die, just trip over a cliff in sub zero temperature

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    average ground angle is about 45 degrees,  plenty must be steeper than that.

     

     

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