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Man, was it that long ago? Looking good, I like that DV M4A1!

LOL me too! But not in a #metooway!

Pretty, but overrated, and a fitting end the Royal Navy's Battleships.

Was he made to face the door?

Hey, if they do the COPS how in England, do they replace to cool intro song, with the Bennie Hill theme?

Hey, buddy, fuck you and whatever police you think can help you. We're in Murcia, (fuck Yea), and we can say anything want, like Fuck you, Fuck the Queen and fuck your mom!

You don't define this post as embarrassing?

Well, this should be fun to watch. The most important bit is the remove anime part!

That's pretty cool. Some of the other pics shows very little decay to a lot of the ship! That's DEEP!

Misgender tranny, go to jail. We do not even have to joke about the UK being a fascist state. And like Tim points out, the left in the US wants to take us there too. But orange man bad right?

New theory, SQH didn't quit posting because we abused him, cause it was fun. Maybe someone reported him and the cops came to his house and muzzled him!

Yeah, that's been one of my points, with a useful size airwing, they might not have taken all those bombs hits, of course, the Brits had awful carrier aircraft until the USA LL them some real planes. So maybe armor seemed like the only choice, still seems like a bad one for a nation going broke. They could have saved money on the armor, built a cheaper ship with a real air wing and maybe had six of them. What is the purpose of an Aircraft Carrier? To employ aircraft against naval and land targets and defend the fleet. What's better, Armor, that is entirely defensive, or a bigger air wing that can do both? You know the name of the thread is overrated allied weapons, not allied weapons that got the job done in spite of being basically terrible. Even if I concede your point about them being designed for the Med, they were used not just in the Med, and were shitty, nearly useless ships in the Pacific. An armored target that can tote around ONLY 35 planes and launch them slowly, seems a bit overrated. Hell, the only thing you even claim they do well, is take damage and survive. If you actually think they are good carriers, you prove my point, since that's overrating them lol.

The USS Franklin took more than two "bomb hits" if you want to be honest about it. The ship was also not at battle stations, but just ignore the full hanger deck and deck park with fuel and armed planes, with bombs, rockets, and full fuel tanks... Nearly 100 of them. That's going to count more than 7 bombs hits not all at once. Hell the Enterprise took three and kept on operating. The Illustrious was out of action 10 months after a couple of her bomb hits. From Wiki, but good enough for this: Besides, no one is saying they were not tough ships, sure they were tough, they could take some damage. The Enterprise was still a more useful carrier after three bomb hits in the Solomon Islands. But how did she operate without an armored flight deck after taking bombs right? Let me spell it out one more time. The armored flight decks crippled them as useful carriers. The idea that they needed that Armor was flawed, and having an actual usefully sized air group negates the need for the Armor. I mean YAY, the Brits had tough, but nearly useless carriers, I guess. I suppose they worked well enough against a second string naval power like Nazi's though. And having your max speed cut to 24 knots permanently by bomb damage counts as serious structural problems or another of the class taking permanent distortion to the hull. Granted the Brits were not as good at building and fixing ships, even US shipyards couldn't have economically repaired them.

Yeah, for the Illustrious class, they had an Air Group of 36 planes for 23,000 tons and 30 knots and a rather sad range of 10,000 miles at 10 knots. Even if you're generous, and give them the late war, Americanesque deck parks, they only got to 56 planes. The Yorktown's are so much better and proved really tough. On a Yorky you get, an Air group of 100 aircraft, though for 19,900 tons, and 32.5 knots and a range of 10,000 miles at 15 knots. There are some operational problems the Armored deck carriers had as well. They did not have as big of magazines and aviation fuel supplies as the American Carriers, and their lower rangers really hampered their usefulness against Japan. I've read many US Navy officers opinions at the time, after operating with the Royal Navy off Japan, the British Carriers were almost more trouble than they were worth, since they barely bettered the CVE and CVLs int he US navy in A/C capacity, and were a pain in the ass to refuel and rearm at Sea. Clearly, the UK and the Royal Navy had many poor thinkers on the future use of the Carrier. The Navy had them too, but an awful lot of the best and brightest int he US Navy learned to fly. I think the operating in the Med, so we had to have small air groups and armor was a silly argument, and the aircraft Carriers they produced were garbage. The armor was only good for 500 pounds, and the ships took structural damage instead of lighter deck damage, permanently affecting at least one of them. Putting the main structure deck like the Armored deck on Brit CVs that high on a ship of that size just compromised everything else about it, and didn't give it great damage resistance. For an Armored deck like that, you need a Forestal class size ship or bigger to make it work, and some super secret to this day structure magic to make it work with deck edge elevators. I mean come on, you want to operate CVs in the med and you can choose 4 Yorktown or four Illustrious class ships? 92,000 tons and 144 planes For the Illustrious versus 79600 and 400 planes for the Yorktown, granted there were not 4 Yorkies, but that's beside the point, you could do the job better with the three that did exist. 300 planes is an actual decent size strike force, capable of taking on land-based planes. This does not bother to take the Essex class into the comparison, because it was so much better than anything the Brits produced, by such a wide margin, it's just silly to do.

You say that like the only place the RN operated was the Med. They had a worldwide empire. With a bit of experience, the Yorky could have lived, and the US Navy changed A/C fuel handling on Carriers after the Coral Sea and Midway. US Carriers had an armored Deck below the flight deck, and ships like the Enterprise took bomb hits and kept operating, while not suffering permanent, unrepairable, structural damage. The Idea that the Armored flight deck carriers were Armored enough to defeat a determined air attack is laughable. I doubt a Brit Carrier would have lived through what the Franklin took under similar circumstances. You know what, the ENTIRE Royal Navy was overrated in WWII.

If we wanted to talk overrated ships, the Armored Deck Carriers the Brits made were overrated. They were also nearly useless without American Airplanes.

Sweet!

Yeah, we all got to know each other over shit like this, it was good times. Of course, some misinformed, repressed, guy from the UK isn't nearly as fun as trolling a wehraboo( I tried to get panzerphile, like a pedophile, to work by Sturgeon's wehraboo was a master work and caught on), but sometimes you have to work with what the good Lord gives you.

I wonder how old that Turtle is.

Slink off subject, but let me ask you this first, do you act like an asshole on UK forums too, or are you afraid of the Troll Police?

Do you need a tampon subject? If you stuffed it in your mouth, you might be able to come up with an impressive insult.

Cry to your troll police subject.

looks like an E9, without the duckbills, but since they were fragile, they are probably in one of the boxes on the back deck.

There are tons wrong with that image, I mean, HVSS was put on the M4A4 hull fairly regularly by the IDF. But who puts the wrong mantlet on, and who either stretches a big hull hatch or rebuilds the whole front of the tank? I mean, you could probably but the front of an M4A3 large hatch hull and weld it on an M4A4 hull, but why? Where is this thing anyway?

Truth hurts huh?