General artillery, SPGs, MLRS and long range ATGMs thread.

[LoooSeR]

Chinese export 155 mm SH-11 SPG 

 

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Another Chinese 155 mm SPG

[LoooSeR]

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Qatar Emiri Land Force PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzer

[Ramlaen]

"a next-generation Extended Range Cannon Artillery (ERCA) prototype is being developed for fielding in 2025. The ERCA consists of two parts—a new rocket-boosted shell, the XM1113, and a longer howitzer barrel. The XM1113, which has a current range of 30 km when fired from the Paladin, was tested at Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona in April this year.  The prototype was tested using the currently fielded Precision Guidance Kit, which is a fuze that turns a conventional artillery round into a semiguided one. During testing, the XM1113 projectile exceeded 60 km; the Army is working toward fielding systems that are capable of accurately striking targets 100 km away. The advanced hypersonic cannon shells that will reach 100 km will provide lethal options for commanders and reduce the need to shoot rockets that cost substantially more.  In addition to longer range, ERCA will have a longer cannon rifle tube, a fully automated ammunition loading system and a communications system that will work in GPS-denied environments."

[N-L-M]

I'm more than mildly concerned that the US army seems to be obsessed with the 100km range figure, at the cost of perhaps missing out on real gains that can be made short of that.

Is there any genuine justification for 100km other than it being a round number?

[Ramlaen]

Outrange the competition and even most rocket artillery?

[N-L-M]

Is there a specific enemy system in mind for this overmatch? Which requires 100km and not, say, 80 or 90km?

[Ramlaen]

10 minutes ago, N-L-M said:

Is there a specific enemy system in mind for this overmatch? Which requires 100km and not, say, 80 or 90km?

 

"Experimentation will begin “within the next couple of years,” he said, but he thinks hypersonic cannon shells could reach out to 100 km (63 miles). At that range, Maranian said, cannon can take on targets that today require more expensive rockets. So what do the rockets do? Well, they get longer-ranged too. That means, in turn, that means rockets take over missions from the most expensive missiles, so those have to gain range as well."

 

 

[LoooSeR]

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Prototype of Chinese SAU PLL-01 on the chassis MZKT-8007.

The artillery unit is a 155-mm Type-89 gun. Depending on the type of projectile, the range of fire reaches 24-39 kilometers.

 

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[MRose]

19 hours ago, Ramlaen said:

19 hours ago, N-L-M said:

Is there a specific enemy system in mind for this overmatch? Which requires 100km and not, say, 80 or 90km?

 

"Experimentation will begin “within the next couple of years,” he said, but he thinks hypersonic cannon shells could reach out to 100 km (63 miles). At that range, Maranian said, cannon can take on targets that today require more expensive rockets. So what do the rockets do? Well, they get longer-ranged too. That means, in turn, that means rockets take over missions from the most expensive missiles, so those have to gain range as well."

 

They're looking at 1000nm now

[LoooSeR]

 

[Renegade334]

Shamelessly stolen from Damian90 on AW forums:

 

 

M109A6 testbed with the M109A8 turret and M907 ERCA gun (I thought it was a 52-caliber barrel, but apparently it's 58).

 

EDIT: to be honest, the grainy quality and color palette of this picture originally made me think it was taken in the 1990s and depicted instead a M109 retrofitted with the XM2001 Crusader's XM297E2 gun (the previously seen ERCA testbeds were also sprayed desert tan rather than olive drab). But then again it's not the first time we get pictures taken with potatoes, even in 2018.

[LoooSeR]

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120-mm self-propelled mortar based on the Tigr-M armored vehicle at the ADEX 2018 arms exhibition in Baku.

 

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[Ramlaen]

6 hours ago, Renegade334 said:

Shamelessly stolen from Damian90 on AW forums:

 

 

M109A6 testbed with the M109A8 turret and M907 ERCA gun (I thought it was a 52-caliber barrel, but apparently it's 58).

 

EDIT: to be honest, the grainy quality and color palette of this picture originally made me think it was taken in the 1990s and depicted instead a M109 retrofitted with the XM2001 Crusader's XM297E2 gun (the previously seen ERCA testbeds were also sprayed desert tan rather than olive drab). But then again it's not the first time we get pictures taken with potatoes, even in 2018.

 

I don't think it is the ERCA gun because it has a bore evacuator.

[Mighty_Zuk]

Elbit offers a newer variant of its D30-based ATMOS:

[LoooSeR]

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Self-propelled guns developed under "Nabrosok" ("Sketch") program started preliminary tests

 

MOSCOW, October 1. / TASS /. Self-propelled artillery mounts "Phlox" and "Magnolia", as well as the "Drok" mortar, developed in the framework of the "Sketch" experimental design work, are already undergoing preliminary tests. This was reported TASS on Monday in the press service of "Uralvagonzavod."

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The 120-mm SPG "Phlox" is mounted on the Ural wheeled chassis, the 120-mm SPG "Magnolia" is mounted on the two-link tracked chassis for use in weak ground conditions [for arctic units], and the 82-mm self-propelled Drok mortar is mounted on the Kamaz wheel chassis .

 

Also, there are (or were) plans to mount 120 mm artillery gun/howitzer on Kurganets, Armata, Bumerang, Typhoon chassis

[Ramlaen]

Seems like the US Army wants self propelled artillery for Stryker BCT.

 

The Government is interested in a highly mobile system replacement for the M777 towed howitzers currently fielded to the Army's Stryker Brigade Combat Teams (SBCT's). This SBCT 155mm howitzer, is required to retain the key transportability and firepower attributes of the current systems while taking advantage of the modernization efforts associated with long range precision fires as well as the advancing mobility requirements. For planning purposes, this effort could commence in the early 2020's and should not require an extended development cycle. Maximizing backwards compatibility with identified legacy ammunition and forwards compatibility with developmental ammunition and armaments will be a key system attribute. This RFI is seeking to identify potential SBCT 155mm howitzer replacement concepts and assess its notional physical and performance characteristics.

[LoooSeR]

"Should we make a good mortar carrier vehicle, comrade?"

"No! Put it inside of UAZ, cut the roof and shoot it from inside!"

[Mighty_Zuk]

On 10/5/2018 at 6:58 PM, LoooSeR said:

"Should we make a good mortar carrier vehicle, comrade?"

"No! Put it inside of UAZ, cut the roof and shoot it from inside!"

 

No recoil damping system, and placed close to center so I expect chassis to break before they can use a 2nd hand to count the number of fired shells.

[LoooSeR]

240 mm mortars of SAA

[LoooSeR]

TsSN FSB using 120 mm mortar

[Renegade334]

https://www.wearethemighty.com/news/army-artillery-doubles-reach-shot

 

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Army artillery doubles its reach with nearly 39-mile shot

 

The Army has successfully fired a 155mm artillery round 62 kilometers — marking a technical breakthrough in the realm of land-based weapons and progressing toward its stated goal of being able to outrange and outgun Russian and Chinese weapons.

 

"We just doubled the range of our artillery at Yuma Proving Ground," Gen. John Murray, Commanding General of Army Futures Command, told reporters at the Association of the United States Army Annual Symposium.

Currently, most land-fired artillery shot from an M777 Towed Howitzer or Self-Propelled Howitzer are able to pinpoint targets out to 30km — so hitting 62km marks a substantial leap forward in offensive attack capability.

 

Murray was clear that the intent of the effort, described as Extended Range Cannon Artillery, is specifically aimed at regaining tactical overmatch against Russian and Chinese weapons.

 

Well, they're getting close to that 70km mark.

 

EDIT: article originally from Warrior Maven.

[Ramlaen]

 

A mockup of Boeing's 155mm Ramjet projectile concept.[/img]

[Renegade334]

/facepalm

 

I keep posting in the wrong threads today. Still no breakthrough in brain cell transplant technology lately? I might be in need of good news here...

 

Mods, please delete this.

[LoooSeR]

Rare footage of Bereg SPG firing

 

[Renegade334]

AUSA 2018 Warriors Corner #19 Long Range Precision Fires Cross - Functional Team Update with Col. John Rafferty, Col. Chris Mills, Col. Will McDonough and Mike George

 

https://www.dvidshub.net/video/embed/631880

 

58-caliber M109A8 test footage at the beginning of the video. Credits to Damian90 on AW forums.