ATGMs and RPGs for infantry - a thread for rebels around the world to choose their ATGM supplier.

[Bronezhilet]

Yep.  Some fancy liner material might be involved, like tantalum.  That and/or they're using fancy, high-yield explosives.

Did a little Googling and Octastit is 95% HMX with a binder.

 

With the use of Gurney equations the jet velocity can be calculated. However I don't know how to do that.  (yet)

I don't know Octastit's detonation velocity nor it's , but I do know LX-14's det velocity and , which are 9110 m/s and 2970 m/s. LX-14 is 95.5% HMX and 4.5% binder. I suspect Octastit has a similar det velocity, but using a different binder might throw things off. Compare to PETN (8260 m/s, 2930 m/s) and RDX (8700 m/s, 2830 m/s). (Values from Explosives Engineering*)

 

Another way to improve is indeed with using a different liner material. Copper isn't the best penetrator, but it's generally sufficient. And it's easy to manufacture copper liners. I don't know how much improvement a different material will give, but it will make the round more difficult and expensive to make.

 

They could also have done funny things with a wave shaper and the shape of the liner itself. Current simple conical liners are, again, easy and cheap to manufacture, but you can gain penetration by changing the shape of the liner and/or by adding a wave shaper.

 

 

But then again, the Panzerfaust 3 supposedly has 700 mm of penetration with a 110 mm warhead. The same as claimed here.

The Pz 3 has a pretty simple copper liner with a wave shaper:

 

The 900 mm they claim is bullshit. "Yes we have an estimated penetration of 700 mm, but in a static, optimised test we get 900 mm and that's way better than 700 mm so we have a really good warhead!!!"

 

 

tl;dr: Possible, but do you want to?

 

 

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Surely buying those two won't raise an eyebrow or two

[Bronezhilet]

Speaking of Panzerfausts:

 

Look at that back blast.

 

In case you didn't know, the counter weight in a Panzerfaust is aluminium powder.

[LoooSeR]

Looks like India is buying Spike ATGMs. Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Indian MoD completed negotiations of the prices of ATGMs. 

[Belesarius]

Looks like India is buying Spike ATGMs. Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Indian MoD completed negotiations of the prices of ATGMs. 

Which version?

[LoooSeR]

Which version?

News article didn't specified. I suspect several versions, from SR to, probably, LR.

[LoooSeR]

Ukraine, Right Sector

[LoooSeR]

 

RPG-29 again in action in Darayya by Shuhada Al-Islam Brigade..

[LoooSeR]

 

Milan ATGM used by the Republican Guard, Deir Ez Zor.

[Belesarius]

http://www.janes.com/article/60808/raytheon-teams-with-uvision-for-us-army-lmams-competition

 

Interesting program. 3kg missile with 500g warhead, with 5-40km range. Electric propulsion.

So it's basically a mini UAV with a just over 1 lb warhead.

[LoooSeR]

 

Near Mosul. Peshmerga, probably US SFs and Javelin.

[SuperComrade]

Speaking of Panzerfausts:

 

Look at that back blast.

 

In case you didn't know, the counter weight in a Panzerfaust is aluminium powder.

Armbrust is similar, but uses plastic flakes instead

[Militarysta]

Did a little Googling and Octastit is 95% HMX with a binder.

 

With the use of Gurney equations the jet velocity can be calculated. However I don't know how to do that.  (yet)

I don't know Octastit's detonation velocity nor it's , but I do know LX-14's det velocity and , which are 9110 m/s and 2970 m/s. LX-14 is 95.5% HMX and 4.5% binder. I suspect Octastit has a similar det velocity, but using a different binder might throw things off. Compare to PETN (8260 m/s, 2930 m/s) and RDX (8700 m/s, 2830 m/s). (Values from Explosives Engineering*)

 

Another way to improve is indeed with using a different liner material. Copper isn't the best penetrator, but it's generally sufficient. And it's easy to manufacture copper liners. I don't know how much improvement a different material will give, but it will make the round more difficult and expensive to make.

 

They could also have done funny things with a wave shaper and the shape of the liner itself. Current simple conical liners are, again, easy and cheap to manufacture, but you can gain penetration by changing the shape of the liner and/or by adding a wave shaper.

 

 

But then again, the Panzerfaust 3 supposedly has 700 mm of penetration with a 110 mm warhead. The same as claimed here.

The Pz 3 has a pretty simple copper liner with a wave shaper:

 

The 900 mm they claim is bullshit. "Yes we have an estimated penetration of 700 mm, but in a static, optimised test we get 900 mm and that's way better than 700 mm so we have a really good warhead!!!"

 

 

tl;dr: Possible, but do you want to?

 

 

*

 

Surely buying those two won't raise an eyebrow or two

 

 

PzF-3IT600 had those over 900mm RHA.

Proven in Poland

It have new warhed.

Tommorow will wrote more.

[LoooSeR]

lol, ATGM carrier

[LoooSeR]

http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2531421

 

Universal ATGM combat module.

 

[LoooSeR]

 

nigeria soldier with a RL-83 Blindicide  antitank rocket launcher 

[Collimatrix]

From Bronezhilet:

 

 

 

Yep, that's right.  A freaking 8" HEAT warhead.  With a hemispherical liner.

[Bronezhilet]

 

Interesting to see they already used wave shapers ("Wave-guide" in the picture) back then.

[Bronezhilet]

As for the question "Does a hemispherical liner work?" the answer is "No.".

[LoooSeR]

Kurds, ATGM, T-155 Firtina SPG.

[LoooSeR]

Turkish M60 and Kurds with ATGM.

[LoooSeR]

Nigerians with RPG-7, equipped with GPD-1 day and night sight for RPG-32, loaded with Bulgarian HE-frag rocket/grenade.

 

http://lemt.by/universalnyiy-dnevno-nochnoy-pritsel-gs-2r-gpd-1/

[LoooSeR]

Spike-SR

[LoooSeR]

Islamists in Syria made this:

[LoooSeR]

 

Rare sighting of Sham Legion MILAN [Euro origin] #ATGM crew #Hirbnafsah front #Hama

 

 

[LoooSeR]

Algeria is bying unknown number of Ukrainian "Skif" ATGMs (130 mm and 152 mm caliber missiles).