Anti-air thread: Everything that goes up must come down, and we'll help you go down

[LoooSeR]

Chinese AA systems catalogue

https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/751363.html

 

Examples of pages:

 

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[LoooSeR]

Buk-M3 at Army 2018

 

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Radar

 

 

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

2S38 Derivatsiya SPAAG at Army 2018

 

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[Collimatrix]

3 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

2S38 Derivatsiya SPAAG at Army 2018

 

 

Variable fuse timer?

[N-L-M]

Looks more like a muzzle velocity radar to me, most muzzle programming devices are coils to maximise the magnetic field they produce, the brake would cause problems with that in this offset block.

Also, do they even have 57mm rounds which would benefit from such a system?

[LoooSeR]

2 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

 

Variable fuse timer?

IIRC yes. 30 mm programmable HE rounds for Pantsir was tested several years ago, BTW.

[LoooSeR]

Driving is hard. Or Russians hacked it.

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In Kiev, the Buk missile crashed into the building after the rehearsal of the parade

 

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[LoooSeR]

Derivatsiya

 

Something on MT-LB chassis.

 

Tor-M2DT

 

Pantsir for Navy

[LoooSeR]

6 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

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Something on MT-LB chassis.

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Sosna

[LoooSeR]

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   On August 21, 2018, in the Patriot military patriotic park in Kubinka, the next International Military Technical Forum "Army-2018" opens. Among other things, JSC "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering named after A.E. Nodelman "(part of the JSC NPO "High-Precision Complexes" of the State Corporation "Rostekh") for the first time publicly demonstrates the combat vehicle of the Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 Sosna-R with laser beam guidance system.

5 km height, 10 km range.

 

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[heretic88]

Sosna, very serious missile system. Completely immune to every kind of jamming, and for most aircraft, the first sign that it is under attack, is the detonation of the warhead. Even if the aircraft has missile launch warning system, the only thing the pilot can do, is jettison weapons and try to outmaneuver the missile, which is very difficult.

[Krieger22]

Similar working principles as Starstreak? I wonder how it handles bad weather or extreme heat.

[Ramlaen]

I wonder how well laser dazzlers would work on Starstreak or Sosna.

[N-L-M]

Quick question for those who know about this stuff, I've seen some odd numbers for missile costs around the internet and would like your opinion.
The numbers I've seen suggest that ESSMs and AMRAAMs cost around $ 1M, and that Sidewinders go for around 500K.
This is all very nice and pleasant, but then the numbers for the Israeli Iron Dome are around 50k-100k per interceptor.
The question is- are these numbers realistic? If so, why is the iron dome so damn cheap, relatively speaking? The missiles aren't much smaller than sidewinders and the guidance doesn't look to be very primitive. 

[LoooSeR]

Modified Shilka and Tunguska

 

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[LoooSeR]

Derivatsiya and Buk-M3

 

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Radar of Gibka-S system and TEL of Gibka-S on TIgr chassis armed with Igla-S MANPADS 

 

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[Xlucine]

9 hours ago, N-L-M said:

Quick question for those who know about this stuff, I've seen some odd numbers for missile costs around the internet and would like your opinion.
The numbers I've seen suggest that ESSMs and AMRAAMs cost around $ 1M, and that Sidewinders go for around 500K.
This is all very nice and pleasant, but then the numbers for the Israeli Iron Dome are around 50k-100k per interceptor.
The question is- are these numbers realistic? If so, why is the iron dome so damn cheap, relatively speaking? The missiles aren't much smaller than sidewinders and the guidance doesn't look to be very primitive. 

 

They sound unusually high, given brimstone (not an AA missile, but still a complex weapon) costs ~£80k ea.

[N-L-M]

Brimstone is pretty much a Hellfire derivative, and Hellfires are usually quoted at around $100k apiece

[LoooSeR]

 

 

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[LoooSeR]

A model of Sosna on BTR chassis

 

Sosna presentation.

Spoiler

 

 

Sosna-R missile

 

[Krieger22]

I might be able to hack it as a salesman after all

[LoooSeR]

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February 1988, Afghanistan. Scouts of the 154th SpN after capturing two containers with "Stinger" MANPADS .

[LoooSeR]

Interesting about Sosna:

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   Substantially "tortured" a representative for Sosna system. In short: the system engage targets that flew behind the clouds with the help of a computer; The lack of a radar detection is compensated by the number of machines (6), each of which can observe a sector of 90°; the speed of targets is up to 900 m/s, during the tests they shot down the Strela-10 missile.

 

[LoooSeR]

System showed by Almaz-Antey for intercepting low/slow flying UAVs

 

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 5 km range, electroengine, speed up to 200 m/s, 1.5 kg, 0.9 meters long, kinetic interceptor (no warhead).

[Ramlaen]

On 8/22/2018 at 1:25 AM, N-L-M said:

Quick question for those who know about this stuff, I've seen some odd numbers for missile costs around the internet and would like your opinion.
The numbers I've seen suggest that ESSMs and AMRAAMs cost around $ 1M, and that Sidewinders go for around 500K.
This is all very nice and pleasant, but then the numbers for the Israeli Iron Dome are around 50k-100k per interceptor.
The question is- are these numbers realistic? If so, why is the iron dome so damn cheap, relatively speaking? The missiles aren't much smaller than sidewinders and the guidance doesn't look to be very primitive. 

 

They are realistic if it does not use an active seeker, I suspect Tamir missiles use an RF data link for mid course updates and a lidar "electro optical" seeker/fuze.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Ramlaen
last edit I swear :p