Anti-air thread: Everything that goes up must come down, and we'll help you go down

[Mighty_Zuk]

It was reported on Israeli televised news, that the Iranian missile launched in 21/01/2019 into Israel, is one with a range of 250km and has a 200kg warhead. The only rocket with such specifications, or at least close to these specifications, that I've found, is the Zelzal-3. 

 

The missile was intercepted by the Iron Dome which launched 2 missiles (despite being upgraded a while ago to only fire one missile at a typical target).

The Iron Dome launcher was located in the Hermon, and it was said the missile could have hit targets along the center of Israel's coastline, namely Hadera, located 125km from Hebron. This means the launcher could have been located north of Damascus up to 125km from the border. Iron Dome intercepted the missiles inside Syrian territory.

 

We know several things:

• Iran previously attempted to conduct such strikes and only succeeded after numerous attempts in which the launchers were preemptively destroyed, so they may have wanted to fire the rocket from its maximum possible range.
• Surveillance over Damascus and everything south of it is especially tight, so they may have preferred to launch it from north of Damascus, as far as possible from it.
• The Iron Dome's range is still classified, but is said to be able to defeat rockets launched from 70km away.

The fact that the Iron Dome managed to shoot down a rocket with a 250km range, and this not being the first time actually (In 2012 I believe, a long range rocket with a 150km range was fired towards Jerusalem and intercepted by 2 Iron Dome missiles), tells us this statistic is misleading, and that the Iron Dome may have capability against long range rockets, or a limited capability against SRBMs.

[LoooSeR]

 

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[LoooSeR]

   Today parade in St.Petersburg. Not much of AA vehicles were there, this was the only one systems that participated:

 

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[LoooSeR]

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#Russia performed first military drills with the newest Buk M3 air defence missile systems, which have highly expanded capabilities, including wider range, more missiles per vehicle & higher speed of intercept

 

[Ramlaen]

America buying Iron Dome is official.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47149918

 

[LoooSeR]

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   Anti-aircraft gunners of the Northern Fleet began training on the Tor-M2DT arctic anti-aircraft missile system. Exercises are conducted on the basis of the 726th training center of military air defense in Yeisk

   Photo: Vitaly Timkiv.

 

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[Ramlaen]

AMRAAM-ER

 

 

[Belesarius]

https://www.janes.com/article/86523/lockheed-martin-led-team-unveils-new-falcon-mobile-air-defence-solution7

 

LockMart working with Saab and Diehl for a new medium range SAM system based off the IRIS-T and Saab Giraffe Radar.

First customer is probably UAE to replace thier HAWKs.

 

[LoooSeR]

Possibly first S-400s in China

[LoooSeR]

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   The latest Russian anti-aircraft missile system S-500 should appear in the army in the near future. In 2019, the first group of officers to work with them will complete their training, Lieutenant-General Vladimir Lyaporov, head of the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense, told the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.
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   Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported that deliveries of the S-500 system to the troops would begin in 2020. The complex is created with the aim of operating them in the next 25 years. In the Western press, it was noted that on the test, the new Russian system was able to hit the target at a distance of 481.2 km, which is 80 km farther away than any existing air defense system.

 

[LoooSeR]

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   State tests of the newest anti-aircraft artillery complex "Derivatsiya", which is based on its 57-mm cannon, will be held this year. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Complete the tests are planned in November.

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@Whatismoo
We were speaking on discord about how bad Kamaz chassis is for Pantsir system and look at this event.

 

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   The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex overturned on a bypass road in the Vladivostok area, according to the Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Primorsky Territory. As a result of the accident, traffic on the road from Russky Island to Patroclus Bay was blocked.

Now this thing manages to fuck up whole AA system on a ~flat road.

[Ramlaen]

IFPC will be refocused now that the US Army has MSHORAD/Iron Dome for lower tier air defense.

 

Each MSHORAD and Patriot battalion will have an IFPC battery.

 

https://breakingdefense.com/2019/03/army-reboots-cruise-missile-defense-ifpc-iron-dome/

[Ramlaen]

 

[Belesarius]

On 3/11/2019 at 10:00 AM, LoooSeR said:

@Whatismoo
We were speaking on discord about how bad Kamaz chassis is for Pantsir system and look at this event.

 

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Now this thing manages to fuck up whole AA system on a ~flat road.

Lol, I just came in here to post this. This showed up on my FB feed.

 

[LoooSeR]

2 hours ago, Belesarius said:

Lol, I just came in here to post this. This showed up on my FB feed.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

I kid you not, Rafael got VoiceOverPete to narrate a part of their DroneDome video:

 

[LoooSeR]

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Anti-aircraft complex "Pantsir-S1" of armed forces of Ethiopia.

Previously, no shipments of Pantsirs to Ethiopia have been reported.

[Ramlaen]

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[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Ramlaen said:

@Mighty_Zuk

Unit price for Tamir missiles actually goes up the 2nd year? That's weird.

It could mean they are investing in replicating Rafael's Israel-based manufacturing to US sites (and I say replicating instead of relocating). That does not explain the yet unheard of unit price for FY18.

[Ramlaen]

6 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Unit price for Tamir missiles actually goes up the 2nd year? That's weird.

It could mean they are investing in replicating Rafael's Israel-based manufacturing to US sites (and I say replicating instead of relocating). That does not explain the yet unheard of unit price for FY18.

 

$150k is probably closer to what they have always costed.

 

Also it says that Q2 of FY20 is when they will decide on whether to buy more Iron Dome for IFPC or go with something else. That would mean a battery for each MSHORAD and Patriot battalion.

[Ramlaen]

It looks like there still is an interest in using Bradleys as a SHORAD platform, from the FY20 budget request justification books.

 

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Ramlaen