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So Trump is going to be meeting with Rocketman in Singapore on June 12.

 

 

 

 

I thought the location was interesting given that Kim's half-brother was assassinated just 200 miles north of Singapore in Kuala Lumpur. 

 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44092623

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North Korea: UN gains 'unprecedented access' during visit

The head of the UN's World Food Programme (WFP) believes there is a "sense of optimism" among North Korea's leaders after enjoying what he said was unprecedented access to the country.

David Beasley spent two days in the capital, Pyongyang, and two outside it, accompanied by government minders.

He said the country was working hard to meet nutritional standards, and hunger was not as high as in the 1990s.

"There is a sense of turning a new page in history," he told the BBC.

 

It looks like north korea's really serious about the opening-up thing.

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If this works, I'm going to have to patiently explain to future generations that, yes, there were two Korean governments, and technically they were at war for over a half-century after the end of the Korean War.

 

However, the plan that ultimately succeeded at bringing peace was:

 

1)  Have a massive corruption scandal in South Korea that abruptly forced a change in government.

2)  Have the United States elect a reality TV star as its president, and have that president make fun of North Korea's leader for being short and fat over Twitter

3)  Have a basketball with a bunch of facial piercings play good cop

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable that this wasn't plan A.

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It has been interesting watching the media shit all over itself on the subject.

 

1) Oh noes, Trump is going to get us into World War 3 by shitpoasting about the NORKS on Twitter

 

2) How progressive is the Kim Dynasty! Why they have K-Pop bands! And wasn't Kim's sister elegant at the Winter Olympics when she gave VP Pence the side eye?

 

3) Wait. Trump is in negotiations for a sit down with Kim to meet face to face? You can't do that! The NORKS are crazy! They're mad men.

 

4) NORKS release political prisoners as a show of good faith and begin dismantling their nuke program before the meeting with no strings attached. 

 

They can't do that! It's a trick! STAHP MAKING TRUMP LOOK GOD BEFORE THE MID-TERMS!!!

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57 minutes ago, Donward said:

It has been interesting watching the media shit all over itself on the subject.

 

1) Oh noes, Trump is going to get us into World War 3 by shitpoasting about the NORKS on Twitter

 

2) How progressive is the Kim Dynasty! Why they have K-Pop bands! And wasn't Kim's sister elegant at the Winter Olympics when she gave VP Pence the side eye?

 

3) Wait. Trump is in negotiations for a sit down with Kim to meet face to face? You can't do that! The NORKS are crazy! They're mad men.

 

4) NORKS release political prisoners as a show of good faith and begin dismantling their nuke program before the meeting with no strings attached. 

 

They can't do that! It's a trick! STAHP MAKING TRUMP LOOK GOD BEFORE THE MID-TERMS!!!

Wait, how are they dismantling their nuke program?

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9 minutes ago, Toxn said:

Wait, how are they dismantling their nuke program?

 

They're not.

 

Just dismantling their test site (which could be already unusable anyway, the mountain may not resist more blast).

For all we know it could mean that they are satisfied with what they have achieved for now.

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And here is the most predictible event in the entire sequence, North Korea threatens to cancel talks.  This is not the first time the North has indicated that it want's to talk, then pulled the rug out from underneath everyone.  My suspicion is that Rocket-man Kim and his buddies just wanted to test the waters and see how high they could get Trump to jump.  Considering that they got Trump to say  “We want to thank [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Un, who really was excellent to these three incredible people,” regarding American citizens imprisoned and sentenced to hard labor, I would think the North Korean's got what they wanted.  

 

North Korea warns US as it suspends South Korea talks over military drills

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5 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Trump blowing out the Iran deal, while John Bolton open discusses dealing with North Korea using the 'Libyan Model' can't really have helped can it?  

I can' t imagine any international situation helped out by John Bolton.  I for one would prefer that the US get involved in fewer wars, not more.  Trump campaigned as being opposed to the 2003 Iraq war, yet chose Bolton for his cabinet, one of the strongest advocates for the Iraq war.  Makes little sense to me.

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For a fleeting moment I thought Trump was operating to a rather cunning plan, playing elements of the establishment off against each other.....But now I'm starting to think he just rolls dice.

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1 hour ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

But now I'm starting to think he just rolls dice.

 

That's the impression I've had for quite some time now, and I mean in general.

 

He can do whatever he want's as far as internal policy are concerned, he won democratic elections within rules that were known to everybody, and as a foreigner it's none of my business.

 

But I'm slightly uncomfortable with the fact that the main international policy of the President of the world's first power can be basically summed up as "Poke it with a stick and see how it react"

I understand that many international situations are virtually locked in a statu-quo and it's often unnerving/frustrating/[insert whatever adjective you like], but those situation are locked precisely because they are complicated and that there is no easy quick fix.

 

So maybe Trump's philosophy is that nothing will change if you don't try something, act, and that's a perfectly valid way of thinking.

But personally I find that the stakes are way too high when talking about geopolitics to just do stuff for the sake of shaking things up.

 

But hey, if anything good come from it I would be sure to credit it to Trump.

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   North Korean politicians have number of good examples of what happens with countries that don't have nuclear weapons, i very much doubt that they will surrender them any time soon or that they considered to do that. Iranian deal getting destroyed in such short amount of time (some sanctions are still in effect) only helps to reinforce that.

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WASHINGTON, May 24th. / TASS /. President of the United States Donald Trump notified North Korean leader Kim Jong-no that he decided to withdraw from participation in the bilateral meeting scheduled for June 12 in Singapore.

Great job. Sadly, expected result, especially after Iranian sanctions deal.

 

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North Korea has dismantled the nuclear test site "Pungery"

 

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1 hour ago, Ramlaen said:

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As I recall, this is exactly the hardball approach Ronald Reagan did to get the Russkies crawling back to the table in the 1980s.

 

28 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

Great job. Sadly, expected result, especially after Iranian sanctions deal.

 

Also:

 

Ummm, no.

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4 hours ago, Donward said:

As I recall, this is exactly the hardball approach Ronald Reagan did to get the Russkies crawling back to the table in the 1980s.

What?

 

4 hours ago, Donward said:

Ummm, no.

Umm, yes.

Maybe this talk will be better with more explanation.

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And everything is going EXACTLY to plan with these negotiations. This is a classic Art of the Deal stratagem.

 

 

I'd like to begin by saying that based on the recent statement of North Korea, I have decided to terminate the planned summit in Singapore on June 12.

While many things can happen, and a great opportunity lies ahead potentially, I believe that this is a tremendous setback for North Korea, and indeed, a setback for the world.

I've spoken to General Mattis and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and our military – which is by far the most powerful anywhere in the world [and] has been greatly enhanced recently, as you all know – is ready if necessary. Likewise, I have spoken to South Korea and Japan, and they are not only ready should foolish or reckless acts be taken by North Korea, but they are willing to shoulder much of the cost of any financial burden, any of the cost associated by the United States in operations if such an unfortunate situation is forced upon us.

Hopefully, positive things will be taking place with respect to the future of North Korea, but if they don't, we are more ready than we have ever been before.

North Korea has the opportunity to end decades of poverty and oppression by following the path of de-nuclearization and joining the community of nations, and I hope that Kim Jong Un will ultimately do what is right, not only for himself, but perhaps most importantly, what's right for his people who are suffering greatly and needlessly.

All of the Korean people, North and South, deserve to be able to live together in harmony, prosperity, and peace. That bright and beautiful future can only happen when the threat of nuclear weapons is removed. No way it can happen otherwise. If and when Kim Jong Un chooses to engage in constructive dialogue and actions, I am waiting.

In the meantime, our very strong sanctions – by far the strongest sanctions ever imposed – and maximum pressure campaign will continue as it has been continuing. But no matter what happens and what we do, we will never, ever compromise the safety and security of the United States of America. I wanted to make that statement. I feel very, very strongly about it.

...hopefully everything is going to work out well with North Korea, and a lot of things can happen ... it's possible that the existing summit could take place, or a summit at some later date. Nobody should be anxious. We have to get it right.

 

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1 hour ago, LoooSeR said:

What?

 

Umm, yes.

Maybe this talk will be better with more explanation.

 

Again, no.

 

North Korea's opinion on Iran or Libya or anything else is irrelevant. What Trump is doing is engaging in a classic Art of the Deal hostile takeover. Except instead of dealing with the corporate board of a failing casino or owners of an upside down piece of real estate, Trump is dealing with a people who have even less savvy when it comes to negotiating. 

 

Trump wins either way. He wins if he negotiates a deal. And he wins if he walks away, rattles the saber, and drops five hundred cruise missiles on Fat Boy's palace and any piece of infrastructure that needs leveling. Either way he shows strength and solidifies his street credit with his supporters, disaffected #NeverTrump Republicans and Independents. And it manouvers the Democrats into either supporting him or backing a dictator.

 

It's classic 1980s Wall Street boardroom tactics mixed with a little bit of The Godfather. The NORKs gave insult to Trump's minions (Pence and Bolton) and by doing so, they gave insult to Trump. They had forgotten that a cuck is no longer in the White House and by doing anything other than keeping their heads bowed and their eyes averted, that they caused the greatest offense to the Warlords occupying the Oval Office.

 

The NORKs need the deal far more than Trump. They need fuel and food and consumer goods. It seems Fat Boy is tired of constantly looking over his shoulder, whether it's his family, or generals, the ChiComs, or the US and our Allies. What's the point of being the most powerful man in a country if you're always worried about getting killed - or toppled and then killed - when you aren't even able to import in the latest toys, when you can't travel to Europe or Disneyland and nail Eastern European call girls on the beach? What's the point of having that power if you can't DO anything with it? At a certain point, watching the same military parades and organized dance routines and Best Korea K-Pop bands gets old.

 

In short, Kim has the choice of either submitting or being destroyed. 

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1 hour ago, Donward said:

 

 

In short, Kim has the choice of either submitting or being destroyed. 

 

I mean this as a genuine question of curiosity: What prevents Kim Jong Un from going back to life as usual? 

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1 hour ago, Donward said:

 

Again, no.

 

North Korea's opinion on Iran or Libya or anything else is irrelevant. What Trump is doing is engaging in a classic Art of the Deal hostile takeover. Except instead of dealing with the corporate board of a failing casino or owners of an upside down piece of real estate, Trump is dealing with a people who have even less savvy when it comes to negotiating. 

 

Trump wins either way. He wins if he negotiates a deal. And he wins if he walks away, rattles the saber, and drops five hundred cruise missiles on Fat Boy's palace and any piece of infrastructure that needs leveling. Either way he shows strength and solidifies his street credit with his supporters, disaffected #NeverTrump Republicans and Independents. And it manouvers the Democrats into either supporting him or backing a dictator.

 

It's classic 1980s Wall Street boardroom tactics mixed with a little bit of The Godfather. The NORKs gave insult to Trump's minions (Pence and Bolton) and by doing so, they gave insult to Trump. They had forgotten that a cuck is no longer in the White House and by doing anything other than keeping their heads bowed and their eyes averted, that they caused the greatest offense to the Warlords occupying the Oval Office.

 

The NORKs need the deal far more than Trump. They need fuel and food and consumer goods. It seems Fat Boy is tired of constantly looking over his shoulder, whether it's his family, or generals, the ChiComs, or the US and our Allies. What's the point of being the most powerful man in a country if you're always worried about getting killed - or toppled and then killed - when you aren't even able to import in the latest toys, when you can't travel to Europe or Disneyland and nail Eastern European call girls on the beach? What's the point of having that power if you can't DO anything with it? At a certain point, watching the same military parades and organized dance routines and Best Korea K-Pop bands gets old.

 

In short, Kim has the choice of either submitting or being destroyed. 

 

I don't think it's as simple as that.  I'm sure Kim has all sorts of ways to keep himself entertained and no shortage of smuggled Western luxuries.  From his viewpoint, he is dealing with a US President who is certainly more unpredictable in certain ways compared to other US presidents.  He also is looking at a US president who seems to care not one bit about sticking to previously made US agreements, which I am sure does not give Kim much incentive to trust Trump.  Also, he is looking at a US President who's administration is in perpetual chaos, has several major scandals hovering over it, and is consistently running at a 40% approval rating.  Kim might decide to wait it out for a few years until Trump is gone.  Certainly, North Korea has survived sanctions in the past.  If they survived Curtis LeMay's bombing campaign during the Korean war, they probably figure they can survive just about anything else.  Also, they will not give up their Nukes willingly, it's the one thing that keeps the US at bay.  John Bolton's mention of the Libyan model pretty much made it clear what happens to leaders the US does not like who don't have a nuclear deterrent.  Anyhow, Trump's military options are limited.  Kim knows this.

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3 hours ago, Donward said:

 

Again, no.

 

North Korea's opinion on Iran or Libya or anything else is irrelevant. What Trump is doing is engaging in a classic Art of the Deal hostile takeover. Except instead of dealing with the corporate board of a failing casino or owners of an upside down piece of real estate, Trump is dealing with a people who have even less savvy when it comes to negotiating. 

 

 

I agree with Donward's take.  This is Trump playing head games, which is something he is good at.

 

2 hours ago, GMerlon said:

 

I mean this as a genuine question of curiosity: What prevents Kim Jong Un from going back to life as usual? 

 

Trump is trying to project the image that he's a crazy mofo who might just attack North Korea.

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