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Hope that doesn't go through. Better just buy new, NATO-standard tanks. I remember when converting more T-55's became more expensive than buying a complete Namer. Don't do that mistake guys. Make the investment.

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On 29.8.2017 at 10:55 AM, Xoon said:

Damian called it the PT-91M2. 

And a link he posted: https://katowice.tvp.pl/33765287/bum...zacji-twardego

 

 

According to what I have read/heard, this isI the PT-17, the PT-91M2 is another tank. I.e. this is a new version of the PT-16 mainly meant as export option and to show that Bumar Łabędy can make tanks (so when the Polish government decides to develop a tank, they are more likely to choose Bumar instead of a foreign company).

 

The PT-92M2 is supposed to be a modernization of the T-72M1 tanks operated in Polish Army, its a budget modernization only - this means adding new ERAWA ERA (some people talk about ERAWA-3, some mention currently existing ERAWA-2 ERA), new thermal sights and a laser warning system. That would mean it's actually worse than the PT-91M despite the name.

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On 30.08.2017 at 3:05 PM, SH_MM said:

The PT-92M2 is supposed to be a modernization of the T-72M1 tanks operated in Polish Army, its a budget modernization only - this means adding new ERAWA ERA (some people talk about ERAWA-3, some mention currently existing ERAWA-2 ERA), new thermal sights and a laser warning system. That would mean it's actually worse than the PT-91M despite the name.

 

PT-91M2 is almoust exatcly ctrl+c/ctrl+v this what I suggest here:

https://we.tl/zj6Yrq288z

(my article from 9/2015 for downloade for free - beta version so comenst under images are BS)

 

PT-91M2 is this what is needed by PolishArmy:

 

1) New gun from Konstrukta (2A46MS)

2) New sabilisation (EPS-97 Albatross or Ukrianian 2E42M  -teh same as in Bulat's)

3) New or refresh FCS (new SAVAN or polish Drawa-TGA)

4) APU

5) Soft-kill Obra-3

6) SOD (system obserwacji dookrężnej) - double thermal/day cameras whit 360 degree around turret

7) slat/bar armour

8) maybe ERAWA-3 (so polonisated Knive/Duplet)

 

About prices - valuse form Malaysian contract from 2002-2004:

EPS stabilisation -  130k EURO
SKO SAVAN-15 + Vigy 821k EURO // or Drawa TGA - 1,2 mln PLN
125mm 2A46MS  - 110k USD
turret  non-retractile bearing - 60k Euro
ERAWA complet  (142k PLN)
Obra-3 23,75k USD
etc

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New SPH Krab (Crab) in short videoclip.

Crews says that they are wery wery suprise ho god is K9 chassis whit hydropneumatic torsion - it's really good ant stabilisatin time after shoot is very short.

First 24 SPH's will be in service until december.

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Very very good video from polish SPH Krab:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B07EVig2xQ8FdDZSWWVoeXdhVFk/view

 

(this video will be removed soon IMHO couse it is inner Polish Army video for artilery unit and there is to mucht shown in term C3 and BMS...)
so enjoy it or copy to another serwer  ;-)

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I've met one pole.

 

A helicopter mechanic who came to the U.S. in the 80's. 

 

Fun guy. also,  stupidly smart.  As in "things you thought were dumb, he knew loads about".

 

Ended up working with him.  learned more about keeping helos flying in those eight months than two years of school.

 

Just like working with Russians and tanks.Or Brits and Small arms.  Somethings just click. 

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Apparently Poland is developing a new MBT. I am not entirely sure if they already have chosen any contractors/partners, but the Polish website Defence24.pl has published articles/interviews with representatives from different European defence companies.

 

According to Rheinmetall's Otmar Schlutheis, if Rheinmetall was chosen as the main contractor/partner to develop the new tank, it would be "Polish", despite the projections from the company suggesting it to be based on Rheinmetall's ideas and Rheinmetall's concepts, while being fitted with technology from Rheinmetall (that's essentially the output of Google Translator). The Polish industry still should be involved.

Core work would still be carried out in Germany by Rheinmetall, but they would integrate Polish-made components if desired. The production of the whole tank or only a limited amount of components could be outsourced to Poland

 

http://www.defence24.pl/703490,nowy-czolg-dla-polski-oparty-na-rozwiazaniach-rheinmetall-defence24pl-tv

 

 

 

BAE Systems is suggesting a lighter tank. Mobility and situational awareness would matter more than armor protection. The lower weight would enable the tank to operate in all terrain conditions. Aside of passive armor, the BAE proposal includes active protection systems to protect the vehicle. Transfer of technology is offered.

 

http://www.defence24.pl/703506,bae-systems-przyszly-czolg-bedzie-lekki-i-mobilny-defence24pl-tv

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Poland to upgrade T-72 tanks and Dana SPHs

Remigiusz Wilk - Jane's Defence Weekly
13 December 2017
 

Poland’s Armament Inspectorate has begun a market analysis on the possible upgrade of the T-72M1/M1D tank.

“We want to modernise the T-72,” Deputy Defence Minister Bartosz Kownacki told the Gazeta Polska Codziennie daily on 8 December. “Upgrading a tank costs around PLN4 million (USD1.1 million). We have 300 such vehicles, so the contract will be for over PLN1 billion.”

The 18-month analysis will be followed by a formal procedure.

The plan is to upgrade existing second-line tanks to a new standard and use them as an interim solution before a new generation tank is introduced.

New 125 mm ammunition is planned to increase the upgraded T-72’s anti-tank capability.

Bumar-Łabędy, part of Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa (PGZ), unveiled the PT-91M2 modernisation package for the T-72 at the MSPO defence exhibition in September.

The upgraded tank is equipped with new generation ERAWA reactive armour and additional rear cage armour. It is armed with a Slovak-produced 2A46MS125 mm/L46 gun with a modernised automatic carousel loader and fitted with the SAVAN-15 fire control system. Additional ammunition has been relocated inside the hull.

The driver’s seat is equipped with a PNK-72 Radomka night vision driver sight and KDN-1 Nyks day/night rear camera. Optional equipment includes a TKN-3Z night vision sight for the commander and SOD 360-degree observation system already installed In the M120K Rak self-propelled mortar.

The PT-91M2 features a reinforced suspension and upgraded Cx mechanical transmission with an 850-hp S-12U engine. The tank has steel tracks with rubber pads and an auxiliary power unit.

Jane’s has also learned about plans for wz. 77 Dana 8x8 wheeled 152 mm self-propelled howitzers (SPHs) to be upgraded in 2018–20.

Poland plans to retain the 152 mm gun instead of replacing it with a NATO standard 155 mm howitzer.

The main focus of the modernisation will be to upgrade the Tatra T-815 VT Kolos chassis and SPH gun recoil and electro-hydraulic elevation system to reduce the time needed between the first and last shot.

 

http://www.janes.com/article/76333/poland-to-upgrade-t-72-tanks-and-dana-sphs

 

Seems like PT-16 and PT-17 demonstrattors are not liked by the Polish military, instead the PT-91M2 will be introduced (as upgrade of old T-72 tanks).

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No idea, but it might be the same ammo already in use with the PT-91. The old T-72 tanks might still be fitted with the old 2A46(-1) gun, which has a lower pressure limit than the 2A46M(S) (e.g. 5,100 bar vs 6,500 bar according to Fofanov).

However the development/introduction of a newer APFSDS type should also be an option.

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