GLORIOUS T-14 ARMATA PICTURES.

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   Perspective wheel platform "Boomerang", first presented in 2015 at the parade in honor of the 70th anniversary of the Victory in Red Square, completes the preliminary tests. Along with the "Armata" and "Kurgants" this machine will determine the development of Russian armored vehicles for the years ahead.
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   "New prototypes of the unified wheeled armored platform, intended for state testing, are in the process of construction. They will leave the shop strictly to the beginning of state tests. Vehicle shows itself as we expected. All declared specifications are confirmed. In particular, the running tests were not only confirmed the indicators laid down in the technical specifications, but also somewhat exceeded. This concerned speed indicators, as well as indicators related to overcoming obstacles."
   "In the near future, we will complete the preliminary tests of the Boomerang platform, after which we will do its "literation", obtain the so-called "O" letter. This will allow the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to open research and development work on new machines on this platform since 2019."

https://ria.ru/20190426/1553038478.html

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   Screengrabs from last year Bumerang video

 

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   K-17 IFV and K-16 APC

 

   Bumerang-BM unmanned turret.

 

 

   Could be used to make a camo for stationary vehicle. Those mount would be better if they could accept ERA.

 

   Nets are also there to hold gear of dismounts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Are these things still in production limbo? 

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4 hours ago, AssaultPlazma said:

Are these things still in production limbo? 

Still in testing phase.

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Pasholok's photos of Victory day parade rehearsal in Moscow.

https://yuripasholok.livejournal.com/11802517.html

 

 

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On 4/27/2019 at 8:42 AM, LoooSeR said:

 

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Really striking in these images - there is a hell of a lot of turret above the gun.  That means very little depression available and there will be a lot of target sticking up when the vehicle is hull down.

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41 minutes ago, DIADES said:

Really striking in these images - there is a hell of a lot of turret above the gun.  That means very little depression available and there will be a lot of target sticking up when the vehicle is hull down.

For starters, the turret has some thick roof armor (although not as thick as Merkava IV) + ERA. But then, we dont know yet the maximum gun depression.

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22 minutes ago, alanch90 said:

For starters, the turret has some thick roof armor (although not as thick as Merkava IV) + ERA. But then, we dont know yet the maximum gun depression.

First layer of protection is don't be seen - if a hull down position with the barrel on the enemy, there will be a lot of turret visible.  We don't know the specific depression but with the gun that close to the hull, it simply can't have much depression.

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8 hours ago, DIADES said:

Really striking in these images - there is a hell of a lot of turret above the gun.  That means very little depression available and there will be a lot of target sticking up when the vehicle is hull down.

   More than on previous Soviet MBTs.

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7 hours ago, DIADES said:

First layer of protection is don't be seen - if a hull down position with the barrel on the enemy, there will be a lot of turret visible.  We don't know the specific depression but with the gun that close to the hull, it simply can't have much depression.

Your deduction is the opposite of common wisdom.

Although not necessarily, a higher turret with specifically more height between the top of the gun and the turret roof, allows for MORE gun depression.

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https://yuripasholok.livejournal.com/11816854.html

 

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11 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   More than on previous Soviet MBTs.

Thats seems like about -8 degrees  right?

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10 hours ago, alanch90 said:

Thats seems like about -8 degrees  right?

 

Can it actually fire at that level though? 

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22 minutes ago, AssaultPlazma said:

 

Can it actually fire at that level though? 

   Of course not, everybody knows that Armatas are made out of cardboard. I also doubt that it can drive forward, even if it have tracks and suspension set up to move that thing.

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24 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

   Of course not, everybody knows that Armatas are made out of cardboard. I also doubt that it can drive forward, even if it have tracks and suspension set up to move that thing.

 

That escalated quickly.....

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9 minutes ago, AssaultPlazma said:

 

That escalated quickly.....

   Soviet tanks can fire some of their ammunition at targets outside of max gun depression/elevation.

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On 5/5/2019 at 6:48 PM, Mighty_Zuk said:

Although not necessarily, a higher turret with specifically more height between the top of the gun and the turret roof, allows for MORE gun depression.

Not as simple as that.  There are two key parameters - length of gun behind trunion and trunion height.  The third factor is glacis profile but the first two are key.  As LoooSeR pointed out, Soviet armour tends to have very limited depression and, yes, low depression allows very low turret height.  In the case of Glorious T14 (barf), the set of compromises chosen looks like it will make hidden hull down harder to achieve.  Does anybody have an accurate line drawing side elevation of the vehicle?

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1 hour ago, LoooSeR said:

   Soviet tanks can fire some of their ammunition at targets outside of max gun depression/elevation. 

LOL, so can a Sheridan

 

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https://www.canadiansoldiers.com/glossary/glossaryh.htm

 

apparently i need an image to explain hull down and why one does not want a lot of turret above the trunion.  Yeah, I know its only a Sherman and a simplified image.  If somebody can provide accurate T14 (please image a triumphant brass chorus) line image and trunion position, I will happily construct appropriate comparative diagram with Leo (Long Live The King)

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20 minutes ago, DIADES said:

Not as simple as that.  There are two key parameters - length of gun behind trunion and trunion height.  The third factor is glacis profile but the first two are key.  As LoooSeR pointed out, Soviet armour tends to have very limited depression and, yes, low depression allows very low turret height.  In the case of Glorious T14 (barf), the set of compromises chosen looks like it will make hidden hull down harder to achieve.  Does anybody have an accurate line drawing side elevation of the vehicle?

Of course trunnion position and breech length are important, but you talked specifically about the height of the whole turret as a unit relative to the placement of the gun. You said it's a negating factor and I corrected you by saying it's a contributing factor.