GLORIOUS T-14 ARMATA PICTURES.

[alanch90]

7 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

 I don't follow this logic. How detection of ATGM launch by soft kill APS is connected to interception of KE by hard kill APS, which is separate system.

Because of the device on which you shared info yesterday: if ATGMs are detected and tracked with that device, one could wonder what is the purpose of the radar if not to detect other types of threats, like APFSDS.

[Ramlaen]

1 hour ago, alanch90 said:

The fact that ATGMs are detected by optical means only reinforces the claims that the APS can intercept KE, detected with the radars.

 

the optical sensors assist the radar in detecting ATGM

[LoooSeR]

Optical system only detects a fact of ATGM launch in LOS, it doesn't track missile itself. For soft kill APS that reacts by deploying smoke screens/etc in general direction of launch this detection system is enough. For hard kill APS optical sensor can't give any kind of data that is accurate enough to calculate which interceptor to use and when (taking into account speeds involved).

[alanch90]

TRADOC has published information on the T-14 in its public database. 

 

https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/Asset/T-14_Armata_Russian_Main_Battle_Tank

 

Among other things, they are validating claims on armor effectiveness that are going around on the internet (base armor on the hull front, not accounting for ERA, of 900mm vs KE, 1400mm vs CE). Seems a bit bogus, there is some sketchy info on other vehicles and weapon systems, but still this is an authoritative, official source. 

[LoooSeR]

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   The first batch of Armata tanks will be transferred to the troops in late 2019 - early 2020

   The first pilot batch of new generation T-14 Armata tanks will enter the Russian Armed Forces in late 2019 - early 2020, Rostec’s head Sergei Chemezov told the TASS on the sidelines of the Dubai Airshow 2019.

   "At present, the preparation of production is being completed, a pilot batch has been made. Its delivery to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will take place in late 2019 - early 2020," Chemezov said.

 

[LoooSeR]

5 hours ago, alanch90 said:

TRADOC has published information on the T-14 in its public database. 

 

https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/Asset/T-14_Armata_Russian_Main_Battle_Tank

 

Among other things, they are validating claims on armor effectiveness that are going around on the internet (base armor on the hull front, not accounting for ERA, of 900mm vs KE, 1400mm vs CE). Seems a bit bogus, there is some sketchy info on other vehicles and weapon systems, but still this is an authoritative, official source. 

Can't open it, but several screenshots that i saw on discord from that page was more than enough to show that it is full of shit.

[alanch90]

5 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

Can't open it, but several screenshots that i saw on discord from that page was more than enough to show that it is full of shit.

In general that database has a lot of...weird stuff. But also very interesting info that can´t be obtained anywhere else (like, for example, the performance of tandem ATGMs against tanks without ERA). Still, its an official publication. 
Here is you screenshot:

 

https://imgur.com/a/bbycIDM

[LoooSeR]

Spoiler

 

"AESA radar slaved to AA MG"... 44S-sv-Sh used for hull armor... (this is steel for thin-skinned AFVs, with like 5-10 mm armor)... Afghanit being similar to Trophy... Jesus it is bad.

[alanch90]

1 hour ago, LoooSeR said:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

"AESA radar slaved to AA MG"... 44S-sv-Sh used for hull armor... (this is steel for thin-skinned AFVs, with like 5-10 mm armor)... Afghanit being similar to Trophy... Jesus it is bad.

Well...here's the thing...none of that is accurate but also not exactly wrong either. I mean, to the average person, not a tank-nerd, Afghanit is "similar" to Trophy in the sense that they are both hardkill APS. That publication (which is nothing more than a digital interactive version of the annualized WEG) is meant mainly for the average US serviceman who may  initially know as much about tanks and weapon systems as any policeman.

But the only reason i saw that publication important enough to share it here is that we have TRADOC "putting the stamp", thus validating, info that has been floating around for years (even if its "not exactly true or false"). 

[SH_MM]

17 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

"AESA radar slaved to AA MG"... 44S-sv-Sh used for hull armor... (this is steel for thin-skinned AFVs, with like 5-10 mm armor)... Afghanit being similar to Trophy... Jesus it is bad.

 

It also rates the T-14 Armata as a tier 2 tank, i.e. less capable than the Chinese VT-4 and Ukranian T-64 upgrades.

[alanch90]

So i followed the trail of sources used on the WEG database and stumbled upon this "The information provided above is from the January 2017 article titled "T-14 Gun-Missil Tank for the Russian Federation," by Jon H. Moilanen published in the TRADOC G-2 Red Diamond Threats Newletter, Volume 8, Issue 01, January 2017."

So i tracked that article (available on https://community.apan.org/wg/tradoc-g2/ace-threats-integration/m/documents/210978 ), and the author back in 2017 stated: "When the T-14 is fielded to operational units in at least limited numbers and additional open source data on capabilities and limitations are confirmed, a T-14 MBT information sheet will be added to the WEG Volume 1 Ground Systems as one of the main battle tanks of the Russian Federation". So, that is effectively what happened and most likely in new years WEG edition,  the T-14 will be featured.  What i find curious is that TRADOC is having a pretty open minded approach to open source information, said author in that article has a lot of quotations from nearly every single publication on the T-14 available by 2017, from renowned military journals such as Jane´s to youtube military channels (even Matsimus is quoted!).  This means that even if the info is not precisely "curated", it´s been judged as credible enough by TRADOC.

 

Correction: ODIN has effectively replaced several TRADOC publicacionts "ODIN offers a web-based version of the Worldwide Equipment Guide (WEG), the Training Circular (TC) 7-100 series, and DATE Caucasus (formerly known as DATE 3.0), all on a freely accessible website...PDF versions of the 2016 WEG, TC 7-100 series, and DATE Caucasus will continue to be available on ATN, but will not be updated; all updates for these products will now appear exclusively on the ODIN platform."  (OEE Red Diamond May-Jul 18 page 21)

[LoooSeR]

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   The Victory Parade, which will be held on May 9, 2020 on Red Square in Moscow, will be attended by more than 20 models of military equipment, which has never been involved in the parades. This was stated by Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, reports TASS.
   According to him, we are talking about Armata and Kurganets-25 combat vehicles with the new Kinzhal and Epokha modules.

 

[Long_Rodney]

On 11/20/2019 at 7:17 PM, LoooSeR said:

Some stuff about new stuff in the parade that usually just shows vapor stuff.

So which one's getting the Kinzhal hypersonic ballistic missile, Armata or Kurganets?

[LoooSeR]

54 minutes ago, Long_Rodney said:

So which one's getting the Kinzhal hypersonic ballistic missile, Armata or Kurganets?

What kind of stupid question is this?

[alanch90]

Oh come on @LoooSeR, have some sense of humor!

[LoooSeR]

5 minutes ago, alanch90 said:

Oh come on @LoooSeR, have some sense of humor!

I don't see anything funny here.

[Ramlaen]

8 hours ago, alanch90 said:

Oh come on @LoooSeR, have some sense of humor!

 

If you find pretending to be retarded humorous.

[Long_Rodney]

On a serious note, who manufactures the Kinzhal and Epoch, and what's the naming pattern for turrets if it conflicts with air launched missiles?

[Beer]

6 minutes ago, Long_Rodney said:

On a serious note, who manufactures the Kinzhal and Epoch, and what's the naming pattern for turrets if it conflicts with air launched missiles?

 

Well, there are tons of things with designation M1 and nobody cares either. All military stuff in Iran has maybe ten names used over and over again as well.  

[LoooSeR]

1 hour ago, Long_Rodney said:

On a serious note, who manufactures the Kinzhal and Epoch, and what's the naming pattern for turrets if it conflicts with air launched missiles?

   Epokha turret - Developer: KBP, Manufacturer: Scheglovsky val.

 

Spoiler

 

 

   Kinzhal turret - developer is Central Research Institute "Petrel" (TsNII "Burevestnik"), which is part of the NPK "Uralvagonzavod"

[heretic88]

The agony continues... Chelyabinsk plant in deep trouble, in addition to bankruptcy, they are unable to manufacture engines for T-14/15/16. 

Source:

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2019/11/blog-post_30.html

[Clan_Ghost_Bear]

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Everything is aimed at the final collapse of mechanical engineering and the final formation of Russia as a raw materials appendage, but not for the West, but for the East.

 

The google translate for that link sounds pretty grim. Is he known for hyperbole?

[alanch90]

It´s very sad how everything capitalism has achieved for the former Soviet republics is dragging them back  to the 3rd world.

[Serge]

Maybe there’s no capitalism yet in Russia. 

[LoooSeR]

18 minutes ago, Serge said:

Maybe there’s no capitalism yet in Russia. 

There is a capitalism here, in relatively pure form in several sectors of economy.