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The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.

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15 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

Yes, there was 1x1 m target and 3x5 meter backshield. Out of 4 rounds 2 hit 1x1 target and 2 hit 3x5 at 4210 meters.

 

Many thanks for the clarification.

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2 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

This guy feels like he is on drugs. 

 

Desert Eagles are fun when somebody else is shooting them for a video, i guess.:D

They're "meh".  If I wanted an unusual gas "operated" handgun, I'd get (another) Steyr GB.  Otherwise? A 4" tubed Model 29 is plenty of fun in a smaller package.

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FSB calendar for 2018

https://i.imgur.com/P7zvpv0.jpg

 

Spoiler

Tactical BigMac and tactical Balsam Velvet Hands

https://i.imgur.com/Skmd6db.jpg

 

Hezbollah patch

https://i.imgur.com/boXuhyW.jpg

 

https://i.imgur.com/KKcoIYY.jpg

 

One more Hezbollah patch

https://i.imgur.com/SIKImYt.jpg

 

"Kill all humans there, comrade Robot"

https://i.imgur.com/vsVfRaz.jpg

 

Group Multicam

https://i.imgur.com/GvYLJIq.jpg

 

Shiite snipers now work for FSB!

https://i.imgur.com/KNj4Mt0.jpg

 

https://i.imgur.com/RzWA1hp.jpg

 

https://i.imgur.com/9GC2l4D.jpg

 

Islamic resistance of Russia, lol

https://i.imgur.com/xEPayh0.jpg

 

https://i.imgur.com/TMHWAL7.jpg

 

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22 hours ago, Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect said:

I've shot them in 44 magnum. They are soft shooting for sure, but revolvers make more sense in that application.

They're absurdly tame.  and still, even with the shortest tube, still fuck-huge

 

Now, if your sidearm of choice has to double as a rather effective boatanchor, well then, you're all set with the DE.

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10 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

""""PPSH""""

 

Also, Sh part in PPSh should be pronounced like Sh in "Shark". There were no S-H-pagin designers in Soviet Union.

 

"Pee-Pee-Ess-Aitch" is a virtually ubiquitous pronunciation in the Anglosphere.

As is "Aye-Ess" for the Eess tank.

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4 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

 

"Pee-Pee-Ess-Aitch" is a virtually ubiquitous pronunciation in the Anglosphere.

As is "Aye-Ess" for the Eess tank.

   I know and it is fucking wrong, you capitalist hacks. Also after i heard how many people pronounce Ivan (as Aivan) it teared my ears and made me understand why we need World Revolution. 

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7 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   I know and it is fucking wrong, you capitalist hacks. Also after i heard how many people pronounce Ivan (as Aivan) it teared my ears and made me understand why we need World Revolution. 

"Evon" for Ivan sounds too much like overpriced water for us westeners, sorry bud.

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14 minutes ago, Meplat said:

"Evon" for Ivan sounds too much like overpriced water for us westeners, sorry bud.

 

If I hear Ivan pronounced as "Ee-von" this is what immediately comes to mind...

 

 

 

 

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So i had some time with the G36 and a very short touch and go with the G36 IdZ ES, the MG4 and the MG5:

Mags and Chest rig:
Holy shit fuck those mags, the mag pouches and the "chest rig" system.

Some guys (NCOs) ground down the the attachment hooks on the side of the magazines and tapped a rubber band on the floor plate to get it out easier.
The coupling/attachment points on the mags make it so hard to get the mag back in.

The chest rig system gets loose so often.

 

Old school 20 year old G36:

The G36 was probably pretty great in its first iteration in 1998.

But nowadays the Red dot, the scope and the mag release isnt state of the art anymore, but still better than pure iron sights.

And having a safety that you can always engage, a free floating handguard and a foldable buttstock is still pretty great.

The paddle mag release and the bolt catch inside the trigger guard isnt that bad but i would prefer  the more AR style controls.
But i like the charging handle better than the way back one on the AR-15 patterns.

But a bolt release button would be nice.

 

The G36 IdZ ES:
Yeah the sights are far better and you have all the fun lasers, optronics and lights.

But the magazins are still the same and boi is the thing heavy especially the one with the 40mm.

I hope that i get the nice and short one.

And the buttstock is so much nicer.

Or better we get the 433 finally but lets wait and see.

Also no talk about surpressors sadly. Those are probably again with the 416A7 only  for the KreisSparKasse.

 

MG5 and MG4:
MG4 is nice and light.

Thought the MG5 would be heavier.
Barrel change is really easy with both of them.

I really hope they get the "engage whenever" safety on the MG4 too its so nice to always be able to switch to safe.

 

IdZ-ES:

Just tried on the Vest with the electronic back.

Its of course back heavy but with the full magazines pouches it maybe balances out.
Everybody that i talked to who was trained on it complained about the weight.

And that you should train your back. Alot.

They said its only laid out for "24 hours" of straight combat/patrol.

But IdZ ES is again only for armoured infantry so you always have your 41 ton buddy.
There is talk about a lighter IdZ for the other infantry branches.
Also its still all Desert Camo.
"Woodland" is said to be rolled out in the second half of this year.

 

I will have more about MG3, MG4, MG5, PzF3, G36, IdZ ES and PUMA in the next 3 months.

PUMA and IdZ ES are coupled and training for both is in full swing. Most younger ranks only trained on PUMA.
They never touched a Marder.

 

If you have questions ask away.

 

PS: Everybody like their G36s and some older guys still want their G3s back. No one is concerned about overheating. We only learned double taps, one precise single shot, 5 shots in quick succession.
Full Auto is only used in clearing rooms and when in "Grenade throwing range".

 


 

 

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I've played with some G36K's, but most of my hands on with the '36 was cutting them up.

 

You could have a bit of amusement with the interlocking mags, (   https://imgur.com/4JvqVw3   ) but I'm not at all shocked to hear end users were lopping the pokey bits off.

 

If you search for "G36 Trunnion" , many of the pictures of the sectioned area are mine, or reposts (ad infinitum) of mine.

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20 hours ago, Scolopax said:

 

The author can't tell the difference between a T20 and a Winchester select fire, I am SOOOO triggered. ;)

 

"Had the war continued the WAR more than likely would have replaced the BAR."

 

...Not as far as I know. The T20E2 would have probably replaced the BAR.

 

 

"The Pedersen rifle. Officially known as the T1E3 featured a toggle lock bolt similar to the Luger pistol. The Pedersen rifle was a strong rival for the Garand for the title of M1 rifle. In the trials the chief of infantry voiced his preference for .30-‘06, Garand up scaled his design for 30 cal while Pedersen stuck with .276. Forced by funding issues the board decided to recommend approval of the .276 Garand and to continue development of the 30 cal. Version."

 

No no no no wrong wrong wrong.

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On 4/7/2018 at 11:38 AM, Willy Brandt said:

So i had some time with the G36 and a very short touch and go with the G36 IdZ ES, the MG4 and the MG5:

Mags and Chest rig:
Holy shit fuck those mags, the mag pouches and the "chest rig" system.

Some guys (NCOs) ground down the the attachment hooks on the side of the magazines and tapped a rubber band on the floor plate to get it out easier.
The coupling/attachment points on the mags make it so hard to get the mag back in.

The chest rig system gets loose so often.

 

Old school 20 year old G36:

The G36 was probably pretty great in its first iteration in 1998.

But nowadays the Red dot, the scope and the mag release isnt state of the art anymore, but still better than pure iron sights.

And having a safety that you can always engage, a free floating handguard and a foldable buttstock is still pretty great.

The paddle mag release and the bolt catch inside the trigger guard isnt that bad but i would prefer  the more AR style controls.
But i like the charging handle better than the way back one on the AR-15 patterns.

But a bolt release button would be nice.

 

The G36 IdZ ES:
Yeah the sights are far better and you have all the fun lasers, optronics and lights.

But the magazins are still the same and boi is the thing heavy especially the one with the 40mm.

I hope that i get the nice and short one.

And the buttstock is so much nicer.

Or better we get the 433 finally but lets wait and see.

Also no talk about surpressors sadly. Those are probably again with the 416A7 only  for the KreisSparKasse.

 

MG5 and MG4:
MG4 is nice and light.

Thought the MG5 would be heavier.
Barrel change is really easy with both of them.

I really hope they get the "engage whenever" safety on the MG4 too its so nice to always be able to switch to safe.

 

IdZ-ES:

Just tried on the Vest with the electronic back.

Its of course back heavy but with the full magazines pouches it maybe balances out.
Everybody that i talked to who was trained on it complained about the weight.

And that you should train your back. Alot.

They said its only laid out for "24 hours" of straight combat/patrol.

But IdZ ES is again only for armoured infantry so you always have your 41 ton buddy.
There is talk about a lighter IdZ for the other infantry branches.
Also its still all Desert Camo.
"Woodland" is said to be rolled out in the second half of this year.

 

I will have more about MG3, MG4, MG5, PzF3, G36, IdZ ES and PUMA in the next 3 months.

PUMA and IdZ ES are coupled and training for both is in full swing. Most younger ranks only trained on PUMA.
They never touched a Marder.

 

If you have questions ask away.

 

PS: Everybody like their G36s and some older guys still want their G3s back. No one is concerned about overheating. We only learned double taps, one precise single shot, 5 shots in quick succession.
Full Auto is only used in clearing rooms and when in "Grenade throwing range".

 

 

 

I know the G-36 has a modular magazine well that can swap over the M16 magazines.  Has anyone considered switching over for commonality's sake?

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9 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

 

 

I know the G-36 has a modular magazine well that can swap over the M16 magazines.  Has anyone considered switching over for commonality's sake?

Maybe this would have been a possibility ten years ago if there would have been some money left. But now with the Trials going on and just getting "clean" HK mags/grinding them clean. It's a non issue. I would rather have better magazine pouches or a real chest rig/vest

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