The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.

[Donward]

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been more incidents where these guys have been blown away. Which tells me they aren't OC'ing rifles everywhere, everyday either and are only doing it at a handful of locations after bragging about it on the Open Carry forum first.

JM and Hernandez both cut to the quick about having proper weapons retention training which none of these guys seem to possess.

[Tied]

If I were employed in a less professional capacity, I would probably make a video about a guy who OCs by duct-taping AR pistols to his hands. "YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME! OH MY GOD MY RIGHTS!!!!"

Also, here's the gun industry's lovable favorite grandpa on OC:

 

 

when i recongized the same piano lead in theme as half in the bag i knew it was gonna be good

[Tied]

Here's what Chris Hernandez has to say about yahoos walking around with rifles carried at port arms:

 

everything i see that neckbeard and his crackhead friend with the butchered SKS i die alittle inside

 

i mean, losers are losers, but what did the poor SKS do to you?

[Meplat]

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been more incidents where these guys have been blown away. Which tells me they aren't OC'ing rifles everywhere, everyday either and are only doing it at a handful of locations after bragging about it on the Open Carry forum first.

JM and Hernandez both cut to the quick about having proper weapons retention training which none of these guys seem to possess.

I see it quite a bit here,  but it's kind of a "meh whatever" thing.

 

The one that was funny was the older guy who'd ride around on an old ten-speed bike with an '03 Springfield, and bayonet, across his back..

We used to joke that if the inevitable accident did not kill him, then a lightning strike would.

[Walter_Sobchak]

"I'M PERFORMING A LEGAL ACT"

Try number 2 and I had to stop it there. Jesus, there needs to be a high school course on how cops work, or something. If you are doing something suspicious like, I dunno, WALKING AROUND WITH A TACTICAL CARBINE AT PORT ARMS AT AN AIRPORT, the police have a responsibility to make sure everything is OK. That is literally their job.

You mean a 100 round magazine is not a totally normal and reasonable thing to have at an airport?  Also, do those things even work?

[Sturgeon]

You mean a 100 round magazine is not a totally normal and reasonable thing to have at an airport?  Also, do those things even work?

 

Some more than others. None as well as a normal magazine.

[Tied]

Nothing says good guy like bringing your magazine specially designed for prolonged shooting at possibly large amounts of people to an airport

 

i mean for fucks sake

 

bring a fucking pistol, you just look like a giant asshole with a small dick who wants fucking attention

 

or 

 

a psychopathic that could unload his high-capacity mag into the nearest crowd at any given moment

[Donward]

I think those 100 round magazines have stopped more mass shootings than any "good guy" armed with a gun

[Tied]

the thing about airports is that we already have good guys armed with guns

 

they are called cops

 

now i hate the "cops exist, therefor why should you ever need a firearm argument" as much as anyone, but i think it holds water that the one place you shouldnt reanct your favorite road warrior scene in is a airport especially considering the post 911 scare that Americans are forced to live under, for eternity 

[Virdea]

As a police officer we had to deal with a coven of sovereign citizens, and they were such a pain in the balls (note I never curse, save now) that we had to have a manual.  One day these twerps would declare they had a sovereign right to occupy an AME church and when we went in to dig them out they would have camcorders in our faces screaming "see, we were right, they are oppressing us!"  

 

I would take twenty honest criminal bluff estates crack dealers over a family of sovereign citizens who believe that the only property rights in the world are theirs.  Although it is wrong to generalize we picked up one of their kids on the road wandering one day and the kid could not speak and showed signs of nearly constant sexual abuse.  Then we had the entire clan screaming that they did not recognize our laws, but when I grabbed a guy who punched a news photographer he starts screaming about his first amendment rights.

 

The problem with the ultra-NRA is the same as any extremest, their argument does not survive extreme interpretation.  The second amendment states two rights.

 

The two similar versions of the first amendment upon which firearms right rests are written as this:

 

(1) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.  In this version the division in the sentence turns the second portion of the amendment into a subjunctive clause.  Semi-colons were not in common use, but this is not a semi-colon per quod.  Taking the definition accepted of militia at the time it means that an adult may bare arms in a regulated manner subject to the rulings of the mustering authority.  Thus a nation could rule that weapons must be concealed, or that certain weapons cannot be carried an employed except by specialists.

 

In the second version passed by the states it says:

 

(2) A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  Less ambiguity.  a subjective clause and a dominate clause second in modern English it would read: Free states should maintain local defensive structures based on the individuals right to bear arms in a regulated manner. This feeds back to the ECL standard of citizen as arrestor and community as legal purveyor of some areas of justice, as long as this is regulated.  So - again the government cannot completely block weapons from the people, and the people as a whole are the militia, but they can require many actions short of blocking them.  

 

There is no right to carry a rifle in public unless the law enacts that right as part of the regulation part of the amendment.

 

The main problem with these guys is:

 

1) Complete lack of satisfying and regular sex.

2) Complete lack of satisfying and regular education.

3) Cognitive dissonance from living in a world where their external information is provided only from propaganda sources.

4) Likely, some form of Environmental damage limited their thinking ability.

[Brick Fight]

Vird, I really appreciate your posts. Also, I love Jerry Miculek because he uses the word "responsibility" as much or more than "right." I want to chill with him so bad.

 

My big problem with gun nuts (emphasis on nuts) is that they're doing more to create a crackdown on firearm ownership than any anti-gun lobbyist ever could. These guys know their Black Rifles scare people, so they carry them around to get attention and get confrontational at every turn, then wonder why their hobby is under attack.

 

My friend, who just doesn't care about guns (as in he just has no thoughts whatsoever of them) except for when his dad takes him skeet-shooting like once a year and I run a food truck, and I mentioned I bought an antique rifle. I usually take care not to mention this kind of thing in front of customers because I hate political discussion (especially at work), but a woman walking up to order overheard us and politely entered the conversation talking about how unsure she was of guns. I told her I understood. We all come from different backgrounds, and that since she was polite, I would be polite too. I tried to shift the conversation over to the fact that even though I don't compete anymore, I still love it as a relaxing hobby, and that I had a special interest in history, and that I volunteer at the local museum. I then mentioned I participated in safety instructions so people could understand and respect firearms, and she seemed more open to the idea. She even considered coming to the museum I volunteer at when we have one of our "You get to hold the weapon" days where we let people handle the more, well, "handled" firearms in the collection.

 

I still think of what would have happened if she said something like that in front of a more abrasive gun owner. They'd have gone on some prepared speech about rights, spouted memorized stories of home defense, etc. She'd have gotten pissed off, and one more anti-gun voter would exist. I just always consider people to be the emissary of our own beliefs whether we like it or not.

 

 

edit: OH GOOD. That video did wonderful things to my Youtube Recommends list.

[xthetenth]

I have a very strong suspicion that there's a bunch of anti-gun people that aren't against responsible ownership, but are against people like that having guns to the point that baby or no, that bathwater's gotta go.

[Sturgeon]

Woof, hard acts to follow, Vir and Brick.

 

We can all agree that these types are dipshits, and we might even all be able to agree that there are generally more dipshits about than there used to be. I think, though, there's a good way to head off this sort of dipshittery, and that's to go shooting with folks. New shooters, old shooters, whomever, make it clear that guns are tools to be respected and that we have the rights we have regarding them because we have demonstrated the responsibility needed to handle them.

I used to be an RO, and I've even been offered an instructorship once or twice, but I don't think people really listen to instructors much. I think if you go to the range with someone, instead as a friend but with the firmness of attitude of a responsible shooter, and you're patient and attentive to what they are doing, how they are shooting, and you use praise and criticism like a fence to keep them on the path, then they stand a good chance of going home and not being such a dipshit anymore.

So our buddies who maybe are fun to drink with but that we wouldn't take shooting just because they're a little too close to the "dipshit" side of things, they could be the next OC activists if they find someone who spouts fweedumb rhetoric before they find a patient, firm teacher. If you don't want that to happen, take them to the range.

[Khand-e]

If I could telepathically choke all of you for polluting my thread with this, I'd probably be doing it right about now.

 

I don't mind some non serious or slightly off topic posts, I and quite a few others do it quite a bit, but seriously what the fuck is this?

[Sturgeon]

If I could telepathically choke all of you for polluting my thread with this, I'd probably be doing it right about now.

 

I don't mind some non serious or slightly off topic posts, I and quite a few others do it quite a bit, but seriously what the fuck is this?

Come on, I know that you know the way to get a thread back on track is to post the sort of content you want to see, not to chide everyone in it.

And anyway, I possess a monopoly on reprimands on this forum.

[Virdea]

Ok, to throw a bone to Khand-e.

 

A brilliant author I know has written a book.  That book is offered as a free PDF read to this forum.  Contact me if you want one and I will make you a personalized copy.  It goes on sale next week.

 

[Virdea]

The relation to the thread is this is an infantry tool, and it has a lot of information on tactics.

[Khand-e]

I'd be interested in a copy possibly.

[Donward]

If I could telepathically choke all of you for polluting my thread with this, I'd probably be doing it right about now.

 

I don't mind some non serious or slightly off topic posts, I and quite a few others do it quite a bit, but seriously what the fuck is this?

 

I'M PERFORMING A LEGAL ACT!

 

I have a right to Open Crappoast here!

 

Also, sexy looking weapon Virdea.

[Virdea]

Khand-e

 

Send me a private mail through the forum with your last name, first initial, province or state of residence, and your nation of residence. I have a certain number of free copies to hand around with the idea people leave responses in the Apple and Amazon stores, but if I run out or the country you are in does not permit this, then I will make you a private PDF.

 

Donward,

 

That is a MAS 1936 shot with closure and dynamic instability in limbo, along with a psychological trick of applying a light coating of linseed to the stock and a very light coating of optically neutral mineral oil to the metal then patting it down with gaffers tape and lightly buffing it with a shammy.  However it is an adored rifle even when I have not made the effort to sell it like a used car. 

[Collimatrix]

 

Small catridges in front of 2 big bulletz - №3 is Dvoryaninov's (TsNII "TochMash" institute) 10/4.5x54R cartridge for smoothbore PKM and SVD, №4 is unknown prototype version (from the same team of the TsNII "TochMash" institute - Dvoryaninov group) 1974-made 3.5mm experimental arrow/flechette for unknwon machine gun.   

 

 

 

Curious about these.  Is there more information?

[Sturgeon]

Light Rifle II has been finalized and scheduled. It will go live tomorrow morning.

[D.E. Watters]

Is it my imagination, or is the 12.7x108mm shown here the duplex variant?

[LoooSeR]

Is it my imagination, or is the 12.7x108mm shown here the duplex variant?

Yes, it is. IIRC that catridge was made for Mi-24's gatling MG.

[Belesarius]

Light Rifle II has been finalized and scheduled. It will go live tomorrow morning.

Commented within 15 minutes of it going up.

Interesting stuff about Johnson and the AR-10.

 

For those too lazy to click on TFB from here:

 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/06/06/two-challengers-to-the-m1-garand-light-rifle-part-ii/