politics Post Election Thread: Democracy Dies In Darkness And You Can Help

[Sturgeon]

12 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Again, you keep using Communism and Socialism interchangeably.  I looked at the platform for Ocasio-Cortez, most of it is pretty much a continuation of New Deal style policy.  I saw nothing about the liquidation of Kulaks, imposition of single party rule, or the collectivization of the means of production.  And please, don't assume that I support her entire platform.  Some of it sounds wildly impractical from a financial standpoint.  That said, I don't think she is the second coming of Stalin, nor is it fair to compare her to some of the extreme right nutjobs that have surfaced on the Republican ticket in non-competitive districts.

 

No, I'm not using them interchangeably. Many, if not most self-described Socialists are Communists, or very close. They'll even admit it if you talk to them long enough.

 

Ocasio-Cortez's platform has been whitewashed for the general and you know it. Look at what she has said she wants and believes, shit like "capitalism will end". That's not a Swedish socialist, that's full on Marxism.

 

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Just now, Sturgeon said:

 

No, I'm not using them interchangeably. Many, if not most self-described Socialists are Communists, or very close. They'll even admit it if you talk to them long enough.

 

Ocasio-Cortez's platform has bern whitewashed for the general and you know it. Look at what she has said she wants and believes, shit like "capitalism will end". That's not a Swedish socialist, that's full on Marxism.

 

 

 

Honestly, I have not paid all that much attention to her until she was in the headlines. I'll take your word for it.  I really need to stop arguing here at get back to researching WWII French armor for my next video.  

[Lord_James]

17 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

researching WWII French armor for my next video.  

 

I’m pretty sure what you meant to say is: imported American armor  

 

tangental: will you also cover captured and modified vehicles like the Lorraine schlepper Marders (Sd.Kfz 135), S303/7(f) / U304(f) / P204(f) conversions, etc? 

[Ramlaen]

43 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

 

Ocasio-Cortez's platform has been whitewashed for the general and you know it. Look at what she has said she wants and believes, shit like "capitalism will end". That's not a Swedish socialist, that's full on Marxism.

 

 

 

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

2 hours ago, Lord_James said:

 

I’m pretty sure what you meant to say is: imported American armor  

 

tangental: will you also cover captured and modified vehicles like the Lorraine schlepper Marders (Sd.Kfz 135), S303/7(f) / U304(f) / P204(f) conversions, etc? 

 

Probably not, they will get mentioned in the episodes about the vehicle they are based on.  Right now my current list of vehicles to cover is at about 90.

[Lord_James]

34 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Probably not, they will get mentioned in the episodes about the vehicle they are based on.  Right now my current list of vehicles to cover is at about 90.

 

Holy cow, I didn’t think the French had that many types of AFVs in the late 30s! 

 

Good luck on the vid  

[Collimatrix]

23 hours ago, Lostwingman said:

 

The DNC and related groups burn money like nobodies business. I should consider getting into the printing business, sheesh.

 

Quite honestly, the impression I got is that the Democratic Party apparatus is cancerous.

Not "cancerous" in the internet-slang meaning of "something I don't like intensely" but cancerous in the sense that the individual subcomponents of the system have stopped working together for a common goal, and are now busy cannibalizing each other for resources so they can grow more and cannibalize more resources.  There seem to be a lot of "Democratic" political institutions that are concerned with making themselves seem indispensable so they can get more delicious money.  They are less concerned with the overall health and effectiveness of the party.  This is part of why the party as a whole does things that don't make very little apparent sense.  It was someone's personal cash cow, not part of a coordinated strategy.  If you look at how centralized control of the Democratic Party has disintegrated over the past ten years, it makes sense.

 

The Republican Party has the same problem, but to a lesser extent.  I suspect that the problem will become even smaller once Trump opens his coliseums for counterrevolutionary Trotskyites neocons.

[Walter_Sobchak]

1 hour ago, Lord_James said:

 

Holy cow, I didn’t think the French had that many types of AFVs in the late 30s! 

 

Good luck on the vid  

I meant 90 for the whole war, not just France.  This is my episode list for the 1940 French campaign.  As you can see, I have left out some of the less common French tanks.

 

FT 17
R 35
H 35
FCM 36
Char D1,2 and 3
Char B1 bis
Somua S 35
Panzer 35 & 38
Panzer III
Panzer IV
British Light tank Mk I-VI
Mk I (A9) & Mk II (A10)
Mk III (A13) & Mk IV (A13 Mk II)
Matilda I
Matilda II

Stug III (short barrel)

[Walter_Sobchak]

4 minutes ago, Collimatrix said:

 

Quite honestly, the impression I got is that the Democratic Party apparatus is cancerous.

Not "cancerous" in the internet-slang meaning of "something I don't like intensely" but cancerous in the sense that the individual subcomponents of the system have stopped working together for a common goal, and are now busy cannibalizing each other for resources so they can grow more and cannibalize more resources.  There seem to be a lot of "Democratic" political institutions that are concerned with making themselves seem indispensable so they can get more delicious money.  They are less concerned with the overall health and effectiveness of the party.  This is part of why the party as a whole does things that don't make very little apparent sense.  It was someone's personal cash cow, not part of a coordinated strategy.  If you look at how centralized control of the Democratic Party has disintegrated over the past ten years, it makes sense.

 

The Republican Party has the same problem, but to a lesser extent.  I suspect that the problem will become even smaller once Trump opens his coliseums for counterrevolutionary Trotskyites neocons.

 

Based on my own experiences this description matches most organizations in general.  I can think of several departments and people at my old workplace who nobody knew what they did or why they were there, but somehow, they were considered important.  Or at least thought they were.  Anyhow, it was pretty apparent from the last election that the Democratic party is not a well run machine.  The fact that it represents a fairly large range of demographics and interest groups probably does not help either.  Also, normal people don't choose a career in politics. 

[Sturgeon]

32 minutes ago, Collimatrix said:

 

Quite honestly, the impression I got is that the Democratic Party apparatus is cancerous.

Not "cancerous" in the internet-slang meaning of "something I don't like intensely" but cancerous in the sense that the individual subcomponents of the system have stopped working together for a common goal, and are now busy cannibalizing each other for resources so they can grow more and cannibalize more resources.  There seem to be a lot of "Democratic" political institutions that are concerned with making themselves seem indispensable so they can get more delicious money.  They are less concerned with the overall health and effectiveness of the party.  This is part of why the party as a whole does things that don't make very little apparent sense.  It was someone's personal cash cow, not part of a coordinated strategy.  If you look at how centralized control of the Democratic Party has disintegrated over the past ten years, it makes sense.

 

The Republican Party has the same problem, but to a lesser extent.  I suspect that the problem will become even smaller once Trump opens his coliseums for counterrevolutionary Trotskyites neocons.

 

Yeah, this is why every article running about YoU wOnT bELiEvE tHE YoUNg wOmEN ChAlLEngINg RePuBliCAN InCUMbeNtS iN thE sOUTh just makes me grin knowing the DNC is just digging the hole deeper.

[LoooSeR]

5 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

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On other foreign policy issues, he tore up the Iran deal, then said he would be willing to talk to the Iranians.  Predictably, the Iranians were not in any hurry to talk to a leader who just arbitrarily withdrew from a treaty signed only a few years ago.  By reimposing sanctions on Iran, Trump has created another dilemma  regarding European relations, who have not disavowed the Iran deal. 

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Note on Iran. Because of sanctions are being re-initiated, current president and his pro-western/normalisation policy is viewed as "failed" in Iran.

https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/750056.html

 

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   Against the backdrop of discontent with the government of President Ruhani, former President Ahmadinejad, who enjoyed so much visible support among the poor, seems to now become even more popular among them. Today, by the way, he called on Rukhani to resign, and this is how he was met by supporters in the provinces over the past few weeks.

 

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   P.S. President Ruhani and the parliament have problems, on August 8, the deputies expressed distrust and accordingly dismissed the Minister of Cooperation, Labor and Social Security of Iran Ali Rabai. And in the coming weeks, the president himself must appear before the parliament and give explanations to the deputies about the problems in the country's economy. Potentially, this may be the first step to remove him from office, but such development still seems unlikely. However, maybe Ruhani will have to donate somebody from his cabinet ...

 

 

5 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

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  As to US - Russian relations, Trump went to meet with Putin in Helsinki, and the results were, shall we say, a little odd...

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Results are more sanctions, now targeting oil industry and some tech products that are needed for it but not produced in Russia.

[Sturgeon]

24 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Based on my own experiences this description matches most organizations in general.  I can think of several departments and people at my old workplace who nobody knew what they did or why they were there, but somehow, they were considered important.  Or at least thought they were.  Anyhow, it was pretty apparent from the last election that the Democratic party is not a well run machine.  The fact that it represents a fairly large range of demographics and interest groups probably does not help either.  Also, normal people don't choose a career in politics. 

 

Right - most organizations, especially large and old ones - have this same issue. Too many middlemen, all trying to justify their existence so they don't get kicked out. The contrast I would make is that the DNC is in the terminal, late stages of this. It's Nazi Germany in 1944, whereas the Republican Party is more like Nazi Germany in 1934.

[Lostwingman]

Doesn't help the the litmus test for moving up the Democratic political machine (and almost certainly the republican one too) is how much money you can raise.

 

My god I hate Julian Castro. Guy is so slimy and fake he bleeds playdoh. 

[LoooSeR]

[Donward]

Which makes 2016 such a watershed moment in that Trump won by being a B-list celebrity who had the savvy to actually run on a platform that the party base has been advocating, using only Twitter and rallies paid for by #MAGA hats. He made completely redundant and obsolete the school of political remoras and sea lice which attach themselves to the fundraising leviathon that is a Presidential campaign, hoping to bring in six and seven figures for doing polling or focus groups or selling their donor lists. 

[Donward]

Also who needs to spend billions to win an election when it has been shown that $100,000 in Facebook ads and an office building full of Slavs squatting behind a computer screen with troll accounts can hack an entire election.

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Yes, I to think it's a shame the Republican party threw away what remained of its values and dignity.  Oh wait,  you were talking about the Democrats?

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Sadly you seem far more concerned about supposed problems with the Republicans when they are not threatening any of our fundamental rights, but poo-poo the actions of the Democrats like they are no big deal, while they make moves attacking the rights of US Citizens.  Since I'm not a republican or democrat, I'll go after either party when they attack my rights, and contrary to the lefty and media spin, the only party doing that right now is the Democrat party. I've said it before, I'll say it again, politicians are scumbags, they always have been and always will be, both sides, and they should be watched and not trusted, and I don't give a shit if they can fake looking like nice people. They can run around in clown makeup if they actually get things done.  

 

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

anyhow, enough snark.

You say the economy is doing great.  Yes, for corporations, who got the lions share of the tax cut.  Wages for working people are stagnant, and the average US worker has nothing in savings.  This is not a new trend, but Trump's "great" economy has done nothing to reverse this trend.  And of course, while the corporate tax cuts are permanent, the ones for individuals end in ten years.  I figure that's about when they will use the excuse that there is a huge hole in the federal budget (due to the Bush Jr and Trump tax cuts) to start seriously cutting entitlements.  So, kiss your social security and medicaid goodbye by the time any of us need it.

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That's a lot of text just to spew the standard Pelosi/media line, I am almost surprised to you didn't call the cuts crumbs.   Also, it's not just me, it's anyone with eyes, who's willing to look around. Even in California, people are spending money again. We've done more pool upgrades for people this year than in the last 5 by a huge margin, and it's industry-wide. The funniest part is how far lefties got to say it's not real, or just for the rich when Obama achieved nothing like it. FACT, the American people, and economy are doing better under Trump than Obama.  You can try and be like MSNBC and CNN to spin it as a negative, but its still, better than Obama ever achieved.  

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

As to NATO, please stop using Trumps deliberately misleading rhetoric.  No one "pays" anything.  The issue is whether or not member states are "spending" enough on defense, not "paying" money to anyone.  The 2% goal is not something Trump created, it actually is a long standing goal established by previous administrations.  Trump's main "accomplishment" regarding NATO has been to cause our allies to have serious doubts as to the US willingness to actually Article 5 of the NATO treaty.  

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I thought you said no more snark, or are you really trying to say, you don't understand, when Trump says "Fair Share", he means paying the obligatory amount of money required by the treaty, on National Defense, and you know damn well they were not doing this, and you know damn well their readiness was terrible. You knew all this, yet you still put up that crap, stolen right from CNN BS?  

 

Once again, the facts are, Trump, got NATO moving on this when previous admins failed. 

 

If the US should spend blood on a bunch of shitholes eastern European countries who have no business being in NATO at all is a whole other debate, and something NO use Citizen was asked about. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

On other foreign policy issues, he tore up the Iran deal, then said he would be willing to talk to the Iranians.  Predictably, the Iranians were not in any hurry to talk to a leader who just arbitrarily withdrew from a treaty signed only a few years ago.  By reimposing sanctions on Iran, Trump has created another dilemma  regarding European relations, who have not disavowed the Iran deal. 

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The shity Iran deal that had them still working on a NUKE, while spreading Islamic Terror throughout the middle east, killing that was a plus and a campaign promise, or was that the Paris deal, also a shit deal.   Of course,  you could just trust the Iranians when they claim they were not, in spite of evidence to the contrary. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

So far, negotiations with North Korea have gotten the return of US soldier remains, but as far as actual progress on the dismantling of NK's nuclear capability, recent reports claim that NK research and development is continuing.  Actually, Mike Pompeo stated it himself last month.  As to US - Russian relations, Trump went to meet with Putin in Helsinki, and the results were, shall we say, a little odd...

 

 

The deal is not done, but Trump, as meager as it is, has still gotten more out of North Korea than Obama, or Bush, and without paying a dime.    So again, I stated a fact, you couldn't just concede. Yet, its a fact, the media does the same thing, and their credibility is at an all-time low, and the rights hate of the press predates Trump, so don't try and play that silly card. At worst, all we get is the dead soldiers, and things go back to the way there were, at best we get something better. How is that a bad thing?   

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

One the international economic front, he seems to think tariffs are the magic bullet.  Frankly, it's still probably too soon to tell exactly what impact these tariffs will have, although Trump already has had to bribe US farmers with $12 billion dollars to make up for their tariff related losses.  If we are lucky, prices on consumer goods will not go up too dramatically as this trade war escalates.

 

 

 

So, you don't understand Trump is trying to use tariffs on countries that unfairly tariff our goods to get a better deal for the US companies, and we have nothing like free trade in reality?  If you understand this, why is it a bad thing?

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

As to his skill as an executive leader, the Trump white house has been an absolute mess.  Never before have we seen an administration with such a quick turnover of high ranking positions.  Most of his cabinet heads seemed to have been picked based on their antipathy for the department they are supposed to head.  His first EPA choice, Scott Pruitt, ended up in over a dozen ethics investigations.  Zinke, the head of interior, has had a few ethical issues of his own.  Betsy Devos, sec of Ed, went in front of congress and delivered one of the most embarrassing performances by a cabinet head ever.  Tom Price, of Health and Human services had to resign over misuse of department money for travel.  Ben Carson seems to like very expensive office furniture.  

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What president has been free of Cabinet officials doing stupid/embarrassing things?  We only hear about the Trump ones because the media turns minor things, into news stories and then makes shit up, like how many scoops of ice cream Trump gets.  Were the optics of the Obama Whitehouse 'better'? Maybe, if you didn't bother to dig a little, the mainstream media litterally worshiped Obama and continually avoided covering things that embarrassed him. I guess if all you care is appearances admin politicized everything and did real damage to the nation. Unless you think a corrupt and incompetent FBI and Justice department are good things and it's one or the other or maybe both at this point, and it is really not deniable, there is all the evidence you would ever need in the IG report.  

 

Trumps Chaotic Whitehouse may look bad to people who can't see past the crap the mainstream media insists on covering or the blatant lies they tell using unnamed sources, people who like results can't ignore the fact things are better under Trump, well you can't ignore it if you have an ounce of objectivity on Trump. 

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

As far as Trump's primary campaign promises, most are still unfulfilled. 

 

The Wall?  Congress has not been able to come up with a new immigration bill, let alone funding for the wall.  The idea that Mexico will pay for the wall seems to have been quietly abandoned.  The only accomplishment by Trump on immigration so far has been to put children in cages. 

 

His other big promise, to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better has not materialized either.  He's managed to cripple the AHCA to a certain extent, but the law still stands, and it is doubtful congress will take up the issue of repeal any time soon. 

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Yeah Sadly he was stuck with the Obama admins Cage policy.   And of course you won't give the man credit for actually trying to push these things through, and I'm sure you know the reasons why they failed, but lack the objectivity to be honest about it.  

 

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

And then there is the promise to "drain the swamp", whatever that means exactly.  If it means getting rid of corruption, perhaps he should have started with his own campaign?  Currently, we have Trump's former campaign manager on trail, the star witness being Trump's former deputy campaign manager.  Both are accused of serious financial crimes. His commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, has been accused of grifting $120 million dollars.  His son and son in law are prime targets for the Mueller probe, and Trump himself has admitted that the two willing attended a meeting during the campaign with the goal of securing damaging information about Trump's opponent from agents of a foreign government.  Meanwhile, a different legal case is proceeding regarding Trump's potential violations of the emoluments clause.  Given that Trump refused to disclose his tax returns to the American public, or to effectively distance himself from his business empire while president, the notion that he is financially benefiting from his elected office is not all that far-fetched. 

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Well, since you ignored/excused the problems with the justice department and FBI in the past, I don't think you actually want to know what the deep state is, or the swamp, or any of the actual deep problems with lifelong government employees having power over the lives of Americans, and the problems that can cause in a democracy.  I also think its funny lefties think someone who is already stupidly rich, would try and get rich by cheating the American people, while every media outlet in the in the nation, as incompetent as they are, is watching. I suppose it's no more stupid than the left's insistence on passing laws, to stop criminals from doing things, by taking the rights of non-criminals away, under the assumption, that the new anti-freedom law will be the one those criminals decide to obey. 

 

There are so many problems with the Meuler probe, that it stands no chance of actually getting Trump, see that's the problem with having a corrupt justice department and FBI, they mess shit up and it,  and ruin their own credibility.  We could get into this, but in the past, you seemed really apt to dismiss problems with the FBI and Justice Dept as Trump/republican BS attacking our law enforcement agencies. You might want to read up on some the subject, and aviod lefty sources, maybe start with the IG Report before you dive in. 

 

I will say this though, at least under Trump, there is a chance the justice department might go after government overreach and corruption when there was no chance of that taking place at all under Obama.  Somehow investigating government curruption is now a bad thing under Trump though!

 

10 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Meanwhile, Trump's approval ratings have stayed fairly flat, hovering in the 40-45 % range.  The republican establishment is scared as hell of November, knowing that Trump has alienated all but his base.  Just look at all the high profile republicans who decided to retire to "spend more time with their families."  Most of what Trump has accomplished so far has been done the same way his predecessor did it, with executive orders.  And as we have seen, executive orders are not nearly as long lasting or as durable as actual laws.  If Trump loses the congress in November, you can be guaranteed that the next two years of his presidency will be even less productive. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, that depends on when you look at the poles and what poles, and Obama wasn't much more popular when he was in office, and the media was kissing his ass. If you had any objectivity about Trump, you might wonder if all the unfair media coverage of Trump might be having an effect on the polling, and you'd also note it has spike up into the Obama range several times,  but we're back to your lack of objectity.  Yeah and spin "high profile" Republicans, who the base hates because they sell out on immigration, as a bad thing, while your party has leadership older than the average AARP senior member. Maybe the left losing some of its prominent Democrats would be a good thing too unless you like have Nancy P as your spokesmummy...  

 

 

I'm not actually sure why you do participate in these discussions.  Your mind is closed, you said it yourself,  to paraphrase, nothing could ever convince you Trump isn't bad since no objective fact can change your mind. That means you have no objectivity, why bother?  

 

And don't try and act like we're all mindless Trump drones when we don't agree with your mostly mainstream media hate-driven opinions on Trump, for me, I will drop support for Trump when he goes after the first and second Amendments like the left in this country has. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lostwingman]

[Walter_Sobchak]

2 hours ago, Jeeps_Guns_Tanks said:

I'm not actually sure why you do participate in these discussions.  Your mind is closed, you said it yourself,  to paraphrase, nothing could ever convince you Trump isn't bad since no objective fact can change your mind. That means you have no objectivity, why bother? 

 

 

Maybe because i am trying to represent an alternate viewpoint here?  And trust me, my opinions on the matter are not outliers, but shared by at least half the population.  I mean, if you want this place to be an echo chamber, I can limit my posting to the AFV thread.

 

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

1 hour ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Maybe because i am trying to represent an alternate viewpoint here?  And trust me, my opinions on the matter are not outliers, but shared by at least half the population.  I mean, if you want this place to be an echo chamber, I can limit my posting to the AFV thread.

 

 

No one is trying to silence you. Post all you want. 

 

Your voice, in this thread, would have more value, if you made an effort to actually have some objectivity about Trump. You basically spew the same crap we get from MSNBC and CNN and every other mainstream outlet. Most of us have moved on from those sources of news. I'm not asking you to like the man, I'm not asking you to like his policies, I'm asking you to step back, and take an actual objective look at the good and bad things the man has done, and accept, he isn't the devil,  and offer actual objective arguments to whats going on. Objectivity in all things, achievable or not should really be the goal of reasonable human beings. 

 

 

I think you may also want to take a serious deep dive into the direction the Democrats have gone, far more than a fringe portion of the Democrat Party do not want you to have a voice in the party, because you are a white male. It doesn't matter that you're on their side, or unemployed, or a lifelong Democrat, or a nice guy, you as a white male have nothing a value to offer the people like Cortez, you are a white patriarchal male, one of the current big enemies of the left. If the young people and sell out mainstreamers in your party are spouting this, and your not worried about it, you are not paying enough attention.  Maybe the only value you get out of this is you can come back and say I'm full of shit, no Democrats are calling for hate speech laws or draconian gun control measures, or any other insane stuff.  Maybe you see some things you don't like. Hell, I know a hell of a lot of Bernie supporters here in Marin County who are pretty damn mad at the Democrat party for fucking Bernie over,  and I'd be pretty worried about the blatant acceptance and lying about Luis Farakan, and the Democrats increasingly being openly anti Semitic too, but that's just me.  My point on why you should look at this is because the Democratic party is partly responsible for Trump being in office, and more so than anything the Russians did. Most of it is on Hillary for being a garbage human, but her party didn't help. 

 

Without objectivity, your posts come off as the same type of ravings as a wehraboo clinging to Barkman's corner, or a Sherman hater insisting Ronsons were a thing. 

 

 

Also, I was not sober while posting this, but, as of right now, I stand by it. 

[Sturgeon]

@Walter_Sobchak, I think it's important to understand that many conservative and poor Americans felt completely left out of both parties. The Democrats were no longer the party of the working man and the poor (which they never really were - but the good branding had finally worn off), but clearly revealed as a party of elites feeding their own interests at the expense of the country and especially the middle class. Not only did (and does) the Democratic and left-wing chatter center around concepts that feel alien to blue collar Americans, but any attempt at dissent or even discussion would quickly result in the label of "racist" or "Nazi" being slapped onto the dissenter. Any blue collar worker who piped up with beliefs as innocent as that they believe legal immigration is a good thing, but they'd like the US to stay demographically similar to what it is now would find themselves branded with labels they had worked hard for years to escape. Prior to the Obama years, most rural Americans took tolerance seriously, even if they didn't understand it entirely. But now, despite all that, they were cast out anyway.

Their treatment by Republicans was not much better, either. The GOP might as well have been a clone of the DNC, but with less power, less social capital, and less ability to win elections. This was such common knowledge that there were even South Park episodes about it. McCain was the final capstone of this long-time project to "liberalify" the GOP, as before the campaign he had been considered a Democrat in all but name by virtually everyone. No surprise that McCain walked away with a halfhearted turnout and a second place sticker. Romney was more of the same!

 

Trump's appeal lies in his destructive power. Trump vexes the DNC and cucks the GOP, both of whom left his base behind long ago. Trump talks a good game on foreign policy, bureaucratic reform, immigration, etc., which is frankly more than any recent previous candidate ever did. Trump also acts like he likes being around the salt of the earth, a far cry from Obama's barely-concealed Ivy-league contempt of them. Precisely because he's a wrecking ball who is shaking things up, many people aren't taking anything for granted anymore and that brings them hope. Because everything was that bad before. Our foreign policy was insane. Our immigration policy was retarded. Our bureaucracy was out of control. People knew all this for a long time but the existing structure had calcified so much that nothing could be done about any of it. Maybe it's different now, maybe Trump will break or has broken enough stuff that some real progress can be made. I dunno that I have that much hope, but hope is there for a lot of people, and no amount of off-color tweets will change that.

[Walter_Sobchak]

If Omarosa won't take the $15,000 a month deal to stop bad mouthing Trump, I'll take it! I mean, I have principles and all, but $15000 a month?  That might convince me real quick to stop shit posting about Trump and say "no comment" real fast.

[Sturgeon]

2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

If Omarosa won't take the $15,000 a month deal to stop bad mouthing Trump, I'll take it! I mean, I have principles and all, but $15000 a month?  That might convince me real quick to stop shit posting about Trump and say "no comment" real fast.

 

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In the recording, Kelly purportedly calls for Manigault-Newman's "friendly departure" from the administration without any "difficulty in the future relative to your reputation." According to the tape, Kelly continued by saying that things could get "ugly" for her, and that she was "open to some legal action" for conduct that would merit a court martial if she were in the military.

 

Conduct such as, perhaps, discreetly recording conversations in the White House?

[Walter_Sobchak]

8 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

 

 

Conduct such as, perhaps, discreetly recording conversations in the White House?

 

She better make some money off that book because ain't no one gonna take her seriously anymore.  

[Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect]

Cnn is currently making a big deal about how the white supremacists were outnumbered by the protestors at some rally. 

 

Well no shit they were. There's maaaaybe  a couple thousand people in the KKK these days. They are the biggest nonissue ever but the left treats them like some sort of seething illuminati of hatred.

 

Antifa thugs beat people within inches of their lives, but a guy cosplaying as a ghost and yells something about racial superiority is somehow a more grave threat.