politics Post Election Thread: Democracy Dies In Darkness And You Can Help

[LoooSeR]

For Honor is pro-Trump and racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUDL1EN6O8

 

[Sturgeon]

YOU GUYS I JUST DISCOVERED THAT BERNIE SANDERS IS LITERALLY HITLER

[That’s Suspicious]

This explains everything!!!

[Ramlaen]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/02/25/trumps-right-the-debt-has-fallen-12-billion-its-nothing-to-do-with-trump-though/#1e5228891fe3

This strikes me as more of a "this makes Trump look good, even if he has nothing to do with it" instead of a "it's trivial and unimportant".

[Sturgeon]

The opening page for that article:

Have the parties just flipped?

[Walter_Sobchak]

2 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

The opening page for that article:

Have the parties just flipped?

Forbes is a mouthpiece for the Democratic party?  That's news to me.

[SergeantMatt]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/perez-doesnt-rule-out-a-hillary-clinton-run-for-the-presidency-in-2020/article/2615807?custom_click=rss

 

If I were DNC Chair, any party member who mentioned Hillary running again and didn't immediately start laughing would be publicly broken on the rack, as an example to the others. Only comparably bad candidates in the party would be Reid, Pelosi, or *shudder* Dianne Feinstein.

[Sturgeon]

22 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

Forbes is a mouthpiece for the Democratic party?  That's news to me.

Not what I was saying.

[Ramlaen]

 

 

[Collimatrix]

Apparently the Twitter embed only works with regular Twitter, not mobile.twitter.  Go figure.

[ApplesauceBandit]

I find it interesting that Pence is as high on there as he is.  I always felt like people generally disliked him more than they did with Trump.

[Donward]

As always. Looking at that poll, why Senate Republicans insist on hitching their wagon to Mitch "Turkey Neck" McConnell is beyond me.

[Sturgeon]

Probably the most satisfying thing for me this past year has been watching the people "lose their faith in democracy" because folks voted against them and they lost.

 

[Priory_of_Sion]

4 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

Probably the most satisfying thing for me this past year has been watching the people "lose their faith in democracy" because folks voted against them and they lost.

 

Lose their faith in democracy or in America's EC sorta democratic system? I know this doesn't matter as they would be doing the same thing anyway. 

 

Regardless, crying like a sack of toddlers doesn't make anyone respect whatever agenda you have. 

[Sturgeon]

7 minutes ago, Priory_of_Sion said:

Lose their faith in democracy or in America's EC sorta democratic system? I know this doesn't matter as they would be doing the same thing anyway. 

 

Regardless, crying like a sack of toddlers doesn't make anyone respect whatever agenda you have. 

In the case of Brexit, that was some pretty direct democracy there.

[Priory_of_Sion]

1 minute ago, Sturgeon said:

In the case of Brexit, that was some pretty direct democracy there.

Didn't see the .co.uk so I assumed it was American, Brits can cry all they want. 

[Sturgeon]

43 minutes ago, Priory_of_Sion said:

Didn't see the .co.uk so I assumed it was American, Brits can cry all they want. 

I don't get bitching about the Electoral College. Direct democracy is an abstract decision making system*, so is the EC. So what's there to bitch about? Oh, right, the people who are bitching lost so they feel like their little hunk of delicious power has been taken away from them.

*If you don't believe that direct democracy is an abstract decision making system, please tell me why stupid people are allowed to vote. Fairness? Human rights? Do either of those answers make any sense? Because I don't think they do.

[Ramlaen]

 

[Priory_of_Sion]

13 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

I don't get bitching about the Electoral College. Direct democracy is an abstract decision making system*, so is the EC. So what's there to bitch about? Oh, right, the people who are bitching lost so they feel like their little hunk of delicious power has been taken away from them.

*If you don't believe that direct democracy is an abstract decision making system, please tell me why stupid people are allowed to vote. Fairness? Human rights? Do either of those answers make any sense? Because I don't think they do.

What would be a non-abstract decision making system? 

I personally don't really care much for democracy in general, but I can sympathize with those who want a direct/proportional democracy for whatever reason, but don't live in a state that has a direct/proportional democracy. 

[Sturgeon]

Just now, Priory_of_Sion said:

What would be a non-abstract decision making system? 

I personally don't really care much for democracy in general, but I can sympathize with those who want a direct/proportional democracy for whatever reason, but don't live in a state that has a direct/proportional democracy. 

If you're not a moral absolutist, then nothing. You just have good (utilitarian) and bad (non-functional) systems.

If you're a moral absolutist, then it depends what your morals are. You of course have people who see voting as a human right, but fuck those people.

[Priory_of_Sion]

Just now, Sturgeon said:

If you're not a moral absolutist, then nothing. You just have good (utilitarian) and bad (non-functional) systems.

If you're a moral absolutist, then it depends what your morals are. You of course have people who see voting as a human right, but fuck those people.

You got anything I can read on this because I don't get it. 

[Sturgeon]

50 minutes ago, Priory_of_Sion said:

You got anything I can read on this because I don't get it. 

On what?

[Donward]

We've already established that the President has shit-taste in food when he orders his steak cooked well done. It has now been reported that he eats his steak with ketchup.

The only thing more amusing is how foodies are flipping out about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/trumps-first-dc-dinner-as-president-an-overcooked-54-steak-with-ketchup/2017/02/27/c98895b4-fd19-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html?utm_term=.05a29c2526c1

[Priory_of_Sion]

14 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

On what?

The relationship between moral absolutism and decision making in regards to types of governments. 

[Toxn]

17 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

I don't get bitching about the Electoral College. Direct democracy is an abstract decision making system*, so is the EC. So what's there to bitch about? Oh, right, the people who are bitching lost so they feel like their little hunk of delicious power has been taken away from them.

*If you don't believe that direct democracy is an abstract decision making system, please tell me why stupid people are allowed to vote. Fairness? Human rights? Do either of those answers make any sense? Because I don't think they do.

Because the definition of 'stupid' means, in practice, 'whoever I think is the enemy'.

 

A lot of good political ideas have this day 0/who will implement them problem. Best to let the dumbdumbs vote if that's your only proxy for 'good political decision maker'.