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It's funny, if a little frightening to see how unstoppable Trump is, despite having the obvious weaknesses in pure statistics. Someone like Trump rarely gets this far. For years, both sides of the media love to wheel out nutbags that their base would hate or love, but are safely powerless. They're usually 100% harmless to the political machine at worst, and good at keeping a small devoted base at best. Trump was shown on Fox as a hero speaking against "political correctness" and liberal media outlets showed him as an example of why their base should continue to hate Republicans. He became a ratings booster, and the media helped legitimize him to their own ends. He wasn't taken seriously, but then the Republicans fucked up hard. Their penchant for having massive primary races that were being used to gain media exposure for the candidates' careers backfired. All of a sudden, running a 20-30% poll might help a candidate win because he's up against two "frontrunners" who are polling 20% range, and a shitload of others polling a cumulative 20-30%. The media is still going:

"It's happened with people like Palin and the weird Pizza Guy who want to sell themselves, but they all eventually bow out. They're unelectable and the party structure doesn't want them, so let's run a reality show for ratings. We've done it with weird little outsiders before, but mostly just jabs here and there to make it interesting. Surely one of the sixteen nominees taking votes away from Rubio/Cruz will bow out eventually. They'll show sense and realize that even their single digit polls will send their party to ruin by helping Trump, right?..."

*Trump wins some states with less % than Bernie Sanders*

"....right?"

 

It was a perfect storm of bad Republican decisions and their media circus that created a viability in Trump. I don't think the media can do much more to fix it at this point. Even Fox is just trying not to mention him while retaining their viewership. The ball is in the Republican leadership court. They've got to pick Rubio or Cruz, and cut the rest of the chaff completely if they want a chance of salvaging the situation.

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It's funny, if a little frightening to see how unstoppable Trump is, despite having the obvious weaknesses in pure statistics. Someone like Trump rarely gets this far. For years, both sides of the media love to wheel out nutbags that their base would hate or love, but are safely powerless. They're usually 100% harmless to the political machine at worst, and good at keeping a small devoted base at best. Trump was shown on Fox as a hero speaking against "political correctness" and liberal media outlets showed him as an example of why their base should continue to hate Republicans. He became a ratings booster, and the media helped legitimize him to their own ends. He wasn't taken seriously, but then the Republicans fucked up hard. Their penchant for having massive primary races that were being used to gain media exposure for the candidates' careers backfired. All of a sudden, running a 20-30% poll might help a candidate win because he's up against two "frontrunners" who are polling 20% range, and a shitload of others polling a cumulative 20-30%. The media is still going:

"It's happened with people like Palin and the weird Pizza Guy who want to sell themselves, but they all eventually bow out. They're unelectable and the party structure doesn't want them, so let's run a reality show for ratings. We've done it with weird little outsiders before, but mostly just jabs here and there to make it interesting. Surely one of the sixteen nominees taking votes away from Rubio/Cruz will bow out eventually. They'll show sense and realize that even their single digit polls will send their party to ruin by helping Trump, right?..."

*Trump wins some states with less % than Bernie Sanders*

"....right?"

 

It was a perfect storm of bad Republican decisions and their media circus that created a viability in Trump. I don't think the media can do much more to fix it at this point. Even Fox is just trying not to mention him while retaining their viewership. The ball is in the Republican leadership court. They've got to pick Rubio or Cruz, and cut the rest of the chaff completely if they want a chance of salvaging the situation.

 

I think your selling Trumps true media genius alittle short here. The guy has played them like a fiddle like no canidate has done in decades. And though the guy is no Mitt Romney in terms of high level business talks, he understands how to market idea's and himself in ways most canidates couldnt fanthom

 

Its go big or go home. Sure, the guy is decisive, and he's probably handed some 19 year old's ballot to Hillary just so he can stick his hemp and dorrito infused fingures at Trumps "racist sexist vipes man"

 

But he has also collected a 29 or even 39 year old's ballot by not even pretending to sell him something that isnt trump, that and there's a good chance that 19 year olds friends will probably just stay home on election day smoke weed and make some cynical reaction posts for reddit *typed Tied unironically as he finished his third blunt and downed another Filet O' Fish and uploaded BMP pictures to VK*

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Looking back, I think the biggest issue was JEB! Please Clap Bush taking up so much of the oxygen in the room. This is on the debate stage and taking money from donors. The dude got $120 million for his PAC and another $30 million donated straight to his campaign. And there was ZERO chance that he was going to win the nomination because the Bush brand is poison. I don't know what secluded and delusion world JEB! and his supporters live in where they thought the nation was itching for a third Bush in the White House. 

 

Worse, the time JEB! spent during debates and on the campaign trail was wasted on trying take a swing at Trump... and missing. Having someone like JEB! attack Trump only enhances the latter's street cred. 

 

Edit: Also, what Tied said.

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I think your selling Trumps true media genius alittle short here. The guy has played them like a fiddle like no canidate has done in decades. And though the guy is no Mitt Romney in terms of high level business talks, he understands how to market idea's and himself in ways most canidates couldnt fanthom

 

Its go big or go home. Sure, the guy is decisive, and he's probably handed some 19 year old's ballot to Hillary just so he can stick his hemp and dorrito infused fingures at Trumps "racist sexist vipes man"

 

But he has also collected a 29 or even 39 year old's ballot by not even pretending to sell him something that isnt trump, that and there's a good chance that 19 year olds friends will probably just stay home on election day smoke weed and make some cynical reaction posts for reddit *typed Tied unironically as he finished his third blunt and downed another Filet O' Fish and uploaded BMP pictures to VK*

 

Oh, definitely. The man is a billionaire and had a massively successful show for reasons. I think his run is a huge joke, and is most likely a media stunt for his own sake. I was just talking about the media's hand in this. Trump appeals to a very visceral part of the US Voter's mind. He doesn't dance around anything, he gossips like a motherfucker, he doesn't play anything close to his chest. When someone asks a question, by god he gives them an answer, even if it's shit he makes up right there.

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I'm not sure how often this has been brought up but one of Donald Trump's strengths is the fact that his negatives are already well known to the American public. This guy has been lampooned for three decades now on Saturday Night Live, late night talks shows, Mad Magazine, political cartoons and so on. His divorces and business failures have been well publicized. His verbal miscues are a given. We know who and what Donald Trump is, or at least we think so.

 

So when he screws up, it's not that big of a deal because we already know that Donald Trump screws up.

 

He's not like - say - a John Edwards who was the Democrat's next Robert Kennedy who - oops - had a sordid little affair and was shamed out of the public spotlight.

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I love it when people say Trump is a successful businessman. The guy is an actor, he makes money selling himself and his image.

And that's - apparently - how he will become POTUS, too.

 

if real estate tycoon is no longer a successful title i dont want to know what is in your eyes

 

Elder God? Mig-25 Designer? 

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