That’s Suspicious Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I’d just love to know how they would drop 15 tons of weight from it? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, Conner Webb said: I’d just love to know how they would drop 15 tons of weight from it? 🤔 The Griffon tech demonstrators turret? Basically removing all the armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 14 hours ago, MRose said: Not sure if he has an inside track or this is a prediction I'm fairly certain Mr. Drummond posted exactly the same photo and the same incorrect predicitons about a year ago, just with a different announcement date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, SH_MM said: I'm fairly certain Mr. Drummond posted exactly the same photo and the same incorrect predicitons about a year ago, just with a different announcement date. I also remember something like that. Maybe he's just looking for attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 XM360E1 - it's electro-chemical gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade334 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 The XM360E1 isn't an ETC gun in its stock state, but the ETIPPS I & II tests retrofitted ETC capability into several guns, including the XM291 (ETIPPS II), the XM360 (ETIPPS I) and the M256 (ETIPPS I). For the XM360 to benefit from ETC tech, you have to mount a big, high energy density capacitor block to the turret (or find a big, spare compartment in the hull to stash it in) to fuel the firing circuit, like they did with the XM8 Lightning Bolt demonstrator. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a476392.pdf P.S. That document refers to the XM360 as XM36. Typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 14 hours ago, MRose said: Not sure if he has an inside track or this is a prediction What the hell happened to the drivers hatch? Karamazov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, Lord_James said: What the hell happened to the drivers hatch? satan inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägerlein Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 15 hours ago, MRose said: Not sure if he has an inside track or this is a prediction An autoloader in a lighter vehicle with an autoloader and a autocannon on the roof. Sonds like somebody told him about this cool vehicle called MBT-70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Aside from the really stupid looking, and detached from reality 'model' (i.e they think a vastly different MBT would look nearly identical), the expectations are fairly okay. The gun will definitely be replaced. Because why not? There is a need in added power that is not just incremental. Modular armor became the norm so even if the internal structure isn't changed, the layout should at least change. Autoloader and encapsulation of the crew mean the turret will likely be unmanned, which means it will indeed be smaller. And they do need that autoloader if they want to proceed with the robotic wingman by having a 3rd crewman do the group control. Smaller turret and new wiring technologies also mean weight can be reduced quite drastically as well. Light cannon though? Idk. A jamming system could work, but for a hard kill they can definitely use a 0.5" cal HMG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Renegade334 said: That autoloader plan also proposes converting the loader into something akin to an EWO or drone pilot (either small UAVs or UGVs like the robotic wingmen). Still, to perform those duties he'd need some space and making his station more cramped would go in the way of that. Loaders need a lot of space, cutting them down to a similar footprint as the gunner would free up a lot of room. I'm not sure if this would tetris out as resulting in a reduced width turret, but it'd free up some volume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Aside from the really stupid looking, and detached from reality 'model' (i.e they think a vastly different MBT would look nearly identical), the expectations are fairly okay. The gun will definitely be replaced. Because why not? There is a need in added power that is not just incremental. Modular armor became the norm so even if the internal structure isn't changed, the layout should at least change. Autoloader and encapsulation of the crew mean the turret will likely be unmanned, which means it will indeed be smaller. And they do need that autoloader if they want to proceed with the robotic wingman by having a 3rd crewman do the group control. Smaller turret and new wiring technologies also mean weight can be reduced quite drastically as well. Light cannon though? Idk. A jamming system could work, but for a hard kill they can definitely use a 0.5" cal HMG. The thing is you are describing a new vehicle, not an upgraded Abrams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ramlaen said: The thing is you are describing a new vehicle, not an upgraded Abrams. An M1A3 might as well be an entirely different vehicle based on technologies developed as part of the NGCV's OMFV project (M1A3 is already part of NGCV). Otherwise why not call it M1A2E, or M1A2D1? I think it's fairly fair considering how the naming convention has changed since the cold war. An ECP phase today is bigger than a difference between the A1 and A2. The naming today suggests a far smaller upgrade than reality, and the naming during the cold war suggested a far greater upgrade than reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Xlucine said: Loaders need a lot of space, cutting them down to a similar footprint as the gunner would free up a lot of room. I'm not sure if this would tetris out as resulting in a reduced width turret, but it'd free up some volume only a standard place for ammunition + put-in(not putin, ok) mechanism. Like Leclerc(but inside the turret) or MBT-70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: NGCV's OMFV project can you elaborate on these projects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: M1A3 is already part of NGCV You could Lincoln axe the turret I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, Karamazov said: can you elaborate on these projects? Optionally manned fighting vehicle, think of a manned Abrams with a remote control Abrams as a wingman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRose Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, Ramlaen said: 35 minutes ago, Karamazov said: can you elaborate on these projects? Optionally manned fighting vehicle, think of a manned Abrams with a remote control Abrams as a wingman. The NGCV was the CFT. What was the "NGCV," they made the "NGCV-OMFV" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, MRose said: The NGCV was the CFT. What was the "NGCV," they made the "NGCV-OMFV" IIRC it was this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I do think it's possible the US Army is interested in the Lynx 41 as a Bradley replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRose Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Maybe for the RCV. I'd imagine it would be the more conservative bid option in the NGCV-OMFV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 19 hours ago, 2805662 said: Maybe something on the (remote?) turreted/RWS ACV 1.1? Since this hasn't been revealed yet I'm going to speculate that it's some sort of ATGM launcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylancer-3441 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Karamazov and Ramlaen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 20 hours ago, 2805662 said: Maybe something on the (remote?) turreted/RWS ACV 1.1? 13 minutes ago, skylancer-3441 said: Fancy that - MCT-30 put forward in another US program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Ha I got BTFO, still an upgraded MCT-30 is a good choice. I wouldn't have guesses that APKWS were in the cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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