Israeli AFVs

[Serge]

On 11/11/2018 at 10:17 PM, Mighty_Zuk said:

40mm AGL coax is something new. Wonder what got them into thinking about this.

Not sure about the date of that photo.

 

 

 

Yes. This photos was taken during the very first public appearance of the Mk4.

[Serge]

https://www.armyrecognition.com/november_2018_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/israeli_8x8_apc_eitan_scheduled_for_series_production_in_2021.html

[Mighty_Zuk]

2 hours ago, Serge said:

https://www.armyrecognition.com/november_2018_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/israeli_8x8_apc_eitan_scheduled_for_series_production_in_2021.html

First appeared on BreakingDefense, written by (notoriously sensationalist) Arie Egozi, so credit goes to him. It does not offer any new information here, but it's interesting that they claim (in ArmyRecognition) that the Eitan will only be made available for export when local production ends. No citation was provided, and it seems to have been merely inferred while rewriting from the original.

[LoooSeR]

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

Some NEWS my Bois:

• 847th brigade (reserve) has completed the induction of one Merkava 4 battalion and is preparing to induct 2 more battalions.
• 401st brigade (active) is preparing to receive tanks with improved FCS, and will be the first to acquire the Barak.

[alanch90]

2 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Some NEWS my Bois:

• 847th brigade (reserve) has completed the induction of one Merkava 4 battalion and is preparing to induct 2 more battalions.
• 401st brigade (active) is preparing to receive tanks with improved FCS, and will be the first to acquire the Barak.

So it is confirmed that the "Barak" upgrade is mainly (and only?)  an FCS upgrade?

[Mighty_Zuk]

6 minutes ago, alanch90 said:

So it is confirmed that the "Barak" upgrade is mainly (and only?)  an FCS upgrade?

It always was just that. The FCS of course includes everything related to sensory, which means sensor fusion, helmet mounted visors, VR training, additional sensors etc.

If you fantasized about a new gun, a new engine (which was speculated at one time but confirmed to be untrue), or generally anything that would require a very serious change to the logistical requirements for the tank, or an expensive structural change, then you're all out of luck. 

[Serge]

No more remote control of the tank ?

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Serge said:

No more remote control of the tank ?

 

Remote control of an MBT was said to be feasible, and already tested, but it was also said to be of no value at the moment.

[VPZ]

It had to have a new APS.

[Mighty_Zuk]

7 hours ago, VPZ said:

It had to have a new APS.

It will, but that project is sort of in a limbo.

[Mighty_Zuk]

An interesting find on IMI's website. They recently uploaded a PDF for a new product called M755 Track Cutting Charge. It's a shaped charge placed on any AFV's tracks that allows cutting them when otherwise impossible.

 

http://www.imisystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/TRACK-CUTTING-CHARGE-TCC-M755_Final.pdf

 

 

[VPZ]

40 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

An interesting find on IMI's website. They recently uploaded a PDF for a new product called M755 Track Cutting Charge. It's a shaped charge placed on any AFV's tracks that allows cutting them when otherwise impossible.

 

http://www.imisystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/TRACK-CUTTING-CHARGE-TCC-M755_Final.pdf

 

 

 

I read about this or similar charge several years ago (someone just mentioned it).

[Eliz]

On 10/18/2018 at 8:41 AM, David Moyes said:

Eitan uses Horstman suspension:
https://horstmangroup.com/horstman-products/horstman-shock-coil/

Thanks for information.

 

What about other automotive components?

Do we know anything about them?

 

 

 

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

9 hours ago, Eliz said:

Thanks for information.

 

What about other automotive components?

Do we know anything about them?

 

We only know so far that the Eitan will likely use a CAT engine.

[LoooSeR]

   Ouch.

[wheel]

From the document attached below (it is from Italian DoD) it seems that an IVECO engine could  be used on the Eitan.  Any information ? thanks

 

https://www.difesa.it/SGD-DNA/Staff/DT/TERRARM/AvvisoPN/Documents/2018/15_avviso_istallazione_Power_Pack.pdf

 

 

Google translantion:

 

Ministry of Defence
GENERAL SECRETARIAT OF DEFENSE AND NATIONAL ARMAMENT DIRECTION
TERRESTRIAL ARMAMENT DIRECTION
III DEPARTMENT - 7TH DIVISION
Address: Via di Centocelle, 301 -00175 Rome
NOTICE OF NEGOTIATED PROCEDURE
WITHOUT PREVIOUS PUBLICATION OF THE NOTICE OF COMPETITION

 

This Direction is planning the procurement engineering study for the installation and
the integration of a "POWER-PACK" (engine and gearbox) on the Israeli EITAN 8X8 vehicle in the field
of ITA-ISR Cooperation armored vehicles - Project Arrangement 1 (PA1).
The Management intends to adopt a negotiated procedure without prior publication of the call for tender with the
IVECO Defense Vehicles company as the holder of the POWER-PACK design Authority.
The use of the negotiated procedure is therefore justified pursuant to art. 18 paragraph 2d) of Legislative Decree 208/11
for reasons relating to the protection of exclusive rights.
Any information on the funding may be requested from the Public Relations Office - Via
di Centocelle, 301 - 00175 Rome - from 08.30 to 14.00 (Monday to Friday) tel. 06.46913.3102
- 06.46913.3103 - email: vdturp@terrarm.difesa.it - Code of Practice __________________.
THE DIRECTOR
(Ten Gen. Francesco CASTRATARO)
 

[asaf]

 

 

 

photos of spike missiles being launched from Eitan/Namer unmanned turret

 

 

 

[VPZ]

 

[Karamazov]

fantastic! No one guesses such mechanisms. It is strange i think 

 

1 hour ago, asaf said:

 

 

 

photos of spike missiles being launched from Eitan/Namer unmanned turret

 

 

 

 

[Adraste]

I am surprised we don't see any Merkava mk3 of the 188th Brigade upgraded with the Trophy APS yet. The whole brigade should have been equipped with it by now, I wonder why it is taking so long? Sounds worrying.

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Adraste said:

I am surprised we don't see any Merkava mk3 of the 188th Brigade upgraded with the Trophy APS yet. The whole brigade should have been equipped with it by now, I wonder why it is taking so long? Sounds worrying.

The tank upgrade rotations are one battalion per year. There are typically 3 battalions per traditional brigade (armored, pre-BCT), so it's a 3 year process (won't withdraw from the Merkava 4M production though), and it should initiate once the trials for the system are done and it's cleared for production.

 

Now, in February this year an experimental tank was shown with the system, along with an official statement that the process should take 3 years. Since the last enlistment cycle of the year is in November, I assume we should see the first battalion operational with the tank around January-February 2019.

[Mighty_Zuk]

Some random Namer photos:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this absolute LAD single-handedly takes into service a whopping 100 FMTV trucks, and an unspecified number of HEMTT trucks. 

The current contract for FMTV trucks is for a total of 250.

They said the process for assimilating additional HEMTT trucks has been going for 2 years now, and includes 'hundreds' of trucks.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

I stole this one.

[Mighty_Zuk]

It's been reported that a report filed by a committee inspecting the readiness of the IDF, has presented 41 recommendations to the IDF Chief of Staff, all of which were accepted by him.

Among them was a recommendation to up the land army's budget by 1.5 to 2 billion NIS (or $400 mil to $530 mil) to fund acquisitions of additional Merkava, Namer, and Eitan vehicles. 

It should be noted that the Merkava 4's export price is $4.5 mil, the Namer's is $3 mil, and Eitan is said to be "half the Namer's cost" so ~$1.5 mil. 

The recommendation was for an annual budget increase, not a one time addition.