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16 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Who told you it's out of service? The Meitar unit, the one responsible for its combat use, was closed, but the missile itself is still in service. I don't know who got it, but the artillery corps still makes use of it.

Meitar has only reserve unit now.

Anything more than that is classifed.

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Couple more of the Mk.3-based Ofek    

Something interesting about Merkava III's armor protection(in Chinese): Some of these images are come from Chinese course book《装甲防护技术基础》(The basic technology of armor protection), and others are

Consider the geometry of actual armor without ignoring the LFP. In addition, the mass of the ammo is almost insignificant (25 kg per round and 40 or so rounds in the hull is 1 ton, vs 2 tons each

1 hour ago, Belesarius said:

Classified doesn't mean much here on SH. We have some folks who have really keen noses.


Maybe you can conclude some details out of this article



The David's Sling Brigade was originally created to strike advancing tank formations; Now it is preparing for urban warfare against Israel's asymmetrical enemies.

 JUNE 6, 2016 17:10
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Hafiz missile launcher, used to fire the Tamuz
The story of the “David’s Sling” Artillery Brigade reflects, in ways few other units do, the radical transformation of Israel’s security environment over the past decades. Today the brigade has the ability to fire a missile through a living-room window.

Originally set up after the 1973 Yom Kippur War to destroy advancing enemy tank formations with antitank missiles, the unit today specializes in precision strikes in urban warfare settings, targeting enemies embedded in Lebanese and Gazan civilian population centers.
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“The brigade is not an ordinary artillery unit,” Col. M., commander of the brigade, told The Jerusalem Post recently.

He noted its special components, including the Meitar and Moran units that fire guided surface-to-surface missiles, often hitting with pinpoint accuracy targets beyond the line of sight. The brigade also includes the Sky Rider Unit – the only one in the IDF’s ground forces that operates its own tactical drones.

“The challenge today is targeting an enemy in an urban setting, with all of the restrictions.

It is about identifying the enemy and striking it and it only, and not hitting noncombatants. We cannot bring down a whole building because of one suspect who is there. We must be very precise,” Col. M said.

Young officers have to know when to order strikes, and also, “when to stop,” Col.

M added, referring to their responsibility for making life and death decisions under intense pressure.

The brigade has become known as the most air forcelike unit in the ground forces, due to its precision fire capabilities and drones.

“Some in the air force jokingly calls us one of their best squadrons,” the commander said. The unit must forge and maintain close ties to the IAF, to ensure its drones do not collide with the IAF’s platforms. The brigade is also responsible for calling in air strikes to assist ground forces during engagements on the battlefield and in maneuvers.

In the 1970s, the unit was dubbed the “judgment day weapon” due to its role in stopping what was then an existential threat – the conquest of Israel by Syrian or Egyptian armored forces.

Now that this threat has vanished, the brigade faces the 21st century threats of Hezbollah and Hamas, and potentially jihadists in Syria.

These groups could attempt to overwhelm Israel’s home front with rocket barrages, and attack the country’s borders with suicide bombers armed with shoulder-fired missiles.

The brigade incorporated the Sky Rider tactical drone Unit in 2011. Today, the drone has become central to all IDF operations, Col. M. said.

“No battalion commanders will go anywhere without it,” he stated. “We deploy drone crews in every sector.

As young as it is, this unit is already highly valued.”

Drone unit soldiers carry the Sky Rider and its mobile command equipment on their backs, meaning they must navigate terrain carrying 50 percent of their body weight.

Today, drone-equipped soldiers can be found on all the country’s borders and in the West Bank, providing overthe- hill reconnaissance assistance to infantry and armored corps.

In 2014, the IDF revealed that Meitar Unit is responsible for firing the Tamuz, known outside of Israel as the Spike. The fourth generation man-portable fire-and-forget anti-tank guided missile and anti-personnel missile, which has a tandem-charged HEAT warhead, is manufactured by the Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. Most details on the brigade’s missile capabilities remain classified.

The missile units are composed of personnel “who work with their brains, less with their muscles,” Col. M.


He declined to provide additional details, saying only that “They leave no stone unturned to generate new techniques. They are creating the next battle doctrine, and using their [combat] systems in ways that the system designers did not think of.”






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17 minutes ago, TokyoMorose said:

This is purely hypothetical speaking, but I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually find a Tamuz launcher on a Eitan or Namer. I also know there exists a Tamuz launcher for the Sand Cat, so that's a possibility.

I even posted PR videos and photos of those (Spike NLOS on Plasan SandCats for S.Korea, for example) in General artillery and long range ATGMs thread.

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49 minutes ago, TokyoMorose said:

This is purely hypothetical speaking, but I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually find a Tamuz launcher on a Eitan or Namer. I also know there exists a Tamuz launcher for the Sand Cat, so that's a possibility.

Namer? Highly unlikely. They didnt even serially produce the Namer's ARV version. 

Thing costs 3 million dollars in the baseline version.


Eitan? Also unlikely. Don't need all that weight for such a light launcher. 


Sandcat? Also unlikely. Ironically, Israel didnt purchase it other than a few for law enforcement.


For now HMMWV and M113 are the options and these should eventually be replaced by a sub 8-ton APC of yet unknown type, which will do many tasks including carrying the Spike NLOS.


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On 7/31/2018 at 10:07 PM, Adraste said:

Maybe the shadow of the protuding sensor (?)  is a data-link antenna, the kind of the one on the defunct M60-based Pereh missile carrier. I found its weird the IDF chose to retire the type without bringing a worthy replacement.


They didn't really announce the pereh in the first place

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19 minutes ago, Ramlaen said:


Just to check the round on the far right is an M339 and the second from the right is an M329?


From left to right:

M322, M325, M329, M339.


M329 is the APAM with 5 operation modes, limited service.

M339 is the Hatzav with 3 operation modes, full rate production and Armored Corps' favorite.

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It's fairly common to have a lot of symbolism in exercises for such groups (Hams, PIJ, Hezbollah, IRGC etc). It looks great on the propaganda posters, and gets the kids excited.

Here's a typical Iranian Basij exercise:



Their vismods are much better than Israeli ones. By far. Good craftsmanship they have there, which probably cost them a lot of money. 

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8 minutes ago, Kal said:


4 axles carrying the weight of a Namera?


Road damage

You got about 63 tons here spread over 16 wheels. It's not bad. Less pressure than what an Eitan would have (if wheel width is the same) which is supposed to be able to drive well on Israel's roads.

These new transporters are also rated for 80 tons, so you can even throw a Gavin in there and still have some spare weight.

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General engineering principle for roads is called the 4th power.  Road damage is approximate to axle loads to the 4th power. So 60 tonne over 4 axles is roughly 5 times more damage than 60 tonne over 6 axles.


The boxer crv also makes me cringe for road damage. 


Maybe israeli roads are tougher than australian roads

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