Sturgeon Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Collimatrix said: It is not clear if the AM-17 supersedes the reborn Dragunov MA that was first shown about a year ago: They are the same weapon. The MA from last year was, as far as I know, a mockup of the functional AM-17s from this year. "MA" stood for "Малогабаритный автомат", which roughly translates to "micro assault rifle". "AM" stands for "автомат" plus the designer's name, I believe. (EDIT: I am wrong, they just switched the letters for some dumb reason.) 2 hours ago, Collimatrix said: SVCh is apparently also based (at least loosely) on the old Dragunov MA design, but it is apparently not the same thing as the SVK that was shown earlier (Max Popenker has also said this). You are a little mixed up. SVCh is the new designation for the SVK. They are the same weapon. From what I can father, Kalashnikov Concern changed its designation system sometime last year, or rather changed it back. "SVK" stood for "Снайперская Винтовка Кала́шникова" ("Sniper Rifle Kalashnikov"), reflecting the company. They decided to change its designation to reflect the designer, as they had historically. So the SVK became the SVCh, or Снайперская Винтовка Кала́шникова Чукавина, or "Sniper Rifle Chukavin". The rifle you are thinking of is the SK-16, an oddball design that apparently used a gas trap mechanism, and went nowhere. SVK/SVCh: SK-16: The confusion comes because around the time the SK-16 was revealed, pictures of an early SVK prototype were also released, and the two looked somewhat similar: ^Early SVK/SVCh prototype Akula_941 and Collimatrix 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, Collimatrix said: MP-444 is described as striker-fired, but appears to have a hammer. Did the rep mis-speak? I am told I am not allowed to comment on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Conventionally, SVCh in Russian means "super-high frequency electromagnetic radiation" and colloquially means "microwave oven". That_Baka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronezhilet Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Its also a bitch to pronounce, but thank fuck its not СВЩ. I hate that fucking letter. That_Baka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 9 hours ago, EnsignExpendable said: Conventionally, SVCh in Russian means "super-high frequency electromagnetic radiation" and colloquially means "microwave oven". Confirmed; Russians' eyes do not operate in the visible light spectrum, microwave radiation is the highest frequency they are aware of. Also confirmed from Max Popenker; PL-15K will be available in both internal hammer and striker-fired versions (!?) That_Baka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 14.09.2017 at 2:27 PM, Sturgeon said: They are the same weapon. The MA from last year was, as far as I know, a mockup of the functional AM-17s from this year. "MA" stood for "Малогабаритный автомат", which roughly translates to "micro assault rifle". "AM" stands for "автомат" plus the designer's name, I believe. (EDIT: I am wrong, they just switched the letters for some dumb reason.) It is not "micro", but "small-sized". Micro would be just Микро in russian, usually means something very, very small, and MA/AM-17 doesn't fit in such category. Also "AM" designation sounds closer to other avtomats names like AK, AN-94, AEK, etc than MA. That_Baka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula_941 Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 2017/9/14 at 9:27 PM, Sturgeon said: They are the same weapon. The MA from last year was, as far as I know, a mockup of the functional AM-17s from this year. "MA" stood for "Малогабаритный автомат", which roughly translates to "micro assault rifle". "AM" stands for "автомат" plus the designer's name, I believe. (EDIT: I am wrong, they just switched the letters for some dumb reason.) You are a little mixed up. SVCh is the new designation for the SVK. They are the same weapon. From what I can father, Kalashnikov Concern changed its designation system sometime last year, or rather changed it back. "SVK" stood for "Снайперская Винтовка Кала́шникова" ("Sniper Rifle Kalashnikov"), reflecting the company. They decided to change its designation to reflect the designer, as they had historically. So the SVK became the SVCh, or Снайперская Винтовка Кала́шникова Чукавина, or "Sniper Rifle Chukavin". The rifle you are thinking of is the SK-16, an oddball design that apparently used a gas trap mechanism, and went nowhere. SVK/SVCh: SK-16: The confusion comes because around the time the SK-16 was revealed, pictures of an early SVK prototype were also released, and the two looked somewhat similar: ^Early SVK/SVCh prototype some source claims early SVK prototype is a gas trap design which i found hard to believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Akula_941 said: some source claims early SVK prototype is a gas trap design which i found hard to believe Not the SVK, the SK-16 was reportedly a gas trap design. Which I also find kind of hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula_941 Posted May 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 6.7x51 round and the LMG OS-124, this new rounds can be see as the russian's response to the .264USA the program is called "“Alatau”" and the 6.7x51 rounds is aim to become the new marksman rifle and LMG rounds according to maxim.p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 This thread makes me want to own an AK again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Akula_941 said: 6.7x51 round and the LMG OS-124, this new rounds can be see as the russian's response to the .264USA the program is called "“Alatau”" and the 6.7x51 rounds is aim to become the new marksman rifle and LMG rounds according to maxim.p No mention of the source of those photos. (it was me) Akula_941 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula_941 Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Sturgeon said: No mention of the source of those photos. (it was me) eh..sry )))) the picture is post by @Sturgeon later found the second on otvaga LMG thread 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 Very interesting thread. Usually, you don't expect to see this amount of knoweledge on an English language forum. I recently wrote an article about the development history of AM-17, thought you might find it interesting: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/06/29/from-dragunov-ma-to-am-17-how-rejected-designs-become-future-weapons/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNcommissar Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) Why doesn't ZentiCo use 6061 aluminum for their rails/mounts etc? They seem to primarily use D16T (equivalent to 2024). Why does ZenitCo use D16T where many other manufacturers would use 6061? Edited November 7, 2018 by CDNcommissar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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