Xlucine Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Lord_James said: The guns not shortened either? That L55 is gonna be a pain in a real street fight. That'd be a whole new level of effort - you'd need to design the shortened gun, test it, work out ballistic data for all natures of ammunition, and reprogram the FCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scav Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, LoooSeR said: That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards. It's British, they'll just use teabags as side armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, Scav said: It's British, they'll just use teabags as side armour. Fresh supply of tea always close to hand! Laviduce, Scav and Lord_James 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, LoooSeR said: That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards. "Streetfighter" has everything he needs to work in town. Everything else is already on this tank. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 By the way about CR2. recently i found it. May be somebody will find any time and translate it to english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 17 hours ago, LoooSeR said: That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards. It's just a demonstrator created by Ultra Electronics, mainly to test their UltraLynx system.https://www.ultra-electronics.com/uploads/business-documents/media-brochures/Ultra_Land_Bro_A4_Nov_17_Spreads.pdf RTR's Ajax Squadron are experimenting in Urban Tank combat:https://www.facebook.com/RoyalTankRegt/posts/urban-tanks-ajax-have-just-taken-delivery-of-their-latest-tanks-these-have-been-/697637010435834/ It is by no means a finished article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 20 hours ago, LoooSeR said: That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards. I thought that at first too, but I came to the conclusion that they just didn’t mount the heavy armor around the tank. The British aren’t that stupid... I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Lord_James said: I thought that at first too, but I came to the conclusion that they just didn’t mount the heavy armor around the tank. The British aren’t that stupid... I hope. Still, MG positions are unprotected and vehicle isn't better suited for actual urban combat (lack of gear/tools to go through barricades, ruins, etc) than normal Chally 2. More like "anti-insurgency operations in villages" kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Will you horrible lot please stop mocking our magnificent, if archaic, tanks. I will have you know that British tanks have boiling vessels on board. Our crews can make tea whenever they like! I bet the T-14 doesn't carry a samovar, so no mocking until it does! Marsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/british-army-demos-new-challenger-2-urban-operatio/ Spoiler The British Army’s Royal Tank Regiment (RTR) has developed a new Challenger 2 MBT demonstrator to highlight modifications that could be made to the platform for urban operations. The RTR will be demonstrating the vehicle during the Army Warfighting Experiment held in December 2018. Speaking to Shephard, 2nd Lt Nicholas Warren-Miller, 3 Tp Ldr RTR, said that the team has worked over the past two months to add ‘low-level...low-cost modifications that can be done very quickly’ on the tank. One of the key areas of modification was to enhance situational awareness in urban environments which Warren-Miller said was particularly limited in the Challenger 2 during urban operations when in close-down and inside the tank. Infantry-tank cooperation is another key area of focus for the RTR, which will make the Challenger 2 'more effective' in the urban environment, according to Warren-Miller. ‘We’ve essentially increased the firepower of the tank and we have created a local area network into the tank which streams camera feeds. So in theory the infantry can use an Android tablet or phone and actually view what we are seeing and what our cameras are seeing,’ Warren-Miller explained. This has been achieved through the use of fixed cameras and panoramic 360˚ thermal imagers, barrel cameras to see left and right at junctions without exposing the platform and camera feeds streamed to dismounted soldier systems. The RTR has worked with an industry team, led by Ultra Precision Control System (PCS), to carry out the improvements. Warren-Miller emphasised that this project has been completed completely outside of the Challenger 2 Life Extension Programme which is currently being competed between BAE Systems and Rheinmetall. ‘It comes from the Hobart committee…when everyone in the regiment gets to make recommendations for Challenger 2. And we’ve been given as a squadron the urban environment to adapt our vehicle to,’ Warren-Miller explained. Through the Hobart committee the team has been given funding to carry out the work. Ultra PCS lead a team that includes FN Herstal UK, Mildef, Esterline, Istec and Ultra Lynx. Other modifications include external storage for breaching tools and dismounted equipment; turret mounted mortar; commanders GPMG and loaders HMG. Warren-Miller suggested that this will be an ongoing project as the RTR has more ideas for long-lasting modifications. For now though these technologies will only be demonstrated on the one experimental platform. Xlucine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Ramlaen, Clan_Ghost_Bear, LoooSeR and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, David Moyes said: That is better. Now add spikes, burning oil and archers on top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPZ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 WTF?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, David Moyes said: Looks cool. David and Goliaf relevant again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karamazov Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, VPZ said: WTF?! This is Her Majesty's modified urban tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPZ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Karamazov said: This is Her Majesty's modified urban tank I see. But her majesty's army should change it's opinion on MBTs (IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, David Moyes said: I'm glad they got rid of the manually operated .50 on top The ladder stowage position isn't ideal if they're planning to fit the usual proper side armour Is that an EO sight on a stick I see, behind the RWS? The UGV in berlin camo is a nice touch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Ramlaen and VPZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 What is that tube on the turret front? That’s not the mortar is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 I couldn't find confirmation anywhere on the net, but that really, really looks like a mortar stapled to the front of the turret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPZ Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Confirmation? It's on the previous page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 I doubt it's a mortar. More likely an electronic device that's been moved from the top to make way for other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 I hope that isn't the mortar because it looks like you have to exit the tank to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Not a fan of this Challenger 2 "urbanization", but that is probably related to the fact that it probably was created with very tight budget and mostly for showcasing the solutions of the British industry offered to the UK MoD. Streaming video feeds to infantry is a nice capability, is this new for the British army? It has been around in different other militaries. Also the videos are meant to be displayed on "Android tablets and smartphones" according to Shephard Media, which sounds like a pretty bad solution given that those likely aren't hardened for electronic warfare or for operations in harsh conditions. Doesn't the British army have any system similar to IDZ-ES or GLADIUS 2? That the rear monitor runs Windows 7 isn't optimal too, but I guess that is a result of the vehicle serving as a demonstrator and probably would be fixed on any real application. The mortar is an odd choice, but there obviously is no space in the turret. I think an add-on system mounted on the rear of the hull might be a better option, but that would be more expensive. I'm thiinking of something similar to the Puma's TSWA, but as detachable component that is only attached for urban operations. The hull mounted cameras also seem to have a very limited FOV. There are none at the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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