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Made a separate thread for discussion of NASA's Commercial Crew Program. Both programs are looking like they are going to fly in 2019; this would be the first time since 2011 an American rocket will carry crew. Exciting times.


SpaceX recently put out a fairly extensive update on the status of their program; https://imgur.com/a/CIuhH0i

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Really NASA needs to be looking for people who are singularly unhappy with everything "here", and instead of looking for reasons to exclude them, looking for reasons to include them.


Pioneers are rarely a stable lot.

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