Kamov new concept leak

[Belesarius 1,475]

Holy shit this guy is fucking obtuse. It's a leaked concept. Kamov has the chops to pull off advanced helicopter design. They have years and years of experience with the engineering of coaxial rotors.  Coaxial rotors + push propulsion is hardly a new concept.  Not so hard to think that they might have studies that never make it past that point, or even advanced design work that never will see the light of day/mass production.  Like say... the RAH-66 didn't make it to production in the states.

 

FFS.

 

 

[XhaxhiEnver 1]

On 5/17/2019 at 3:05 PM, Pascal said:

 

Do tell more, especially about the weight. (about the M47 Dragon right?)

 

Actually both the M47 and M77.

 

While the M47 real counterpart was the Metis, the weight of the system put it right on Fagot/Faktoria territory. 

The M77 on the other part, from A to D is firmly into Konkurs territory (from 13 to 15 kg) was still limited to 1500m EFR. 

 

When the 77D was introduced, the Soviets had already desiged the basis of what would become the Kornet.

 

[Pascal 10]

1 hour ago, XhaxhiEnver said:

 

Actually both the M47 and M77.

 

While the M47 real counterpart was the Metis, the weight of the system put it right on Fagot/Faktoria territory. 

The M77 on the other part, from A to D is firmly into Konkurs territory (from 13 to 15 kg) was still limited to 1500m EFR. 

 

When the 77D was introduced, the Soviets had already desiged the basis of what would become the Kornet.

 

What are you on about?

 

Metis with the launching unit is 17 kg (25 kg for Metis-M).

 

Dragon-2 with the launching unit is 15 kg.

 

The Fagot and Konkurs launching unit alone was 22 kg.

[XhaxhiEnver 1]

Missile Mass RTF. The M47 is about 11kg. It has a 1000m EFR with an official first hit probability or .8 and MV of about 112m/s. 

M77 is from 13 to 15 kg and its EFR is 1500m while the MV is a whooping 130m/s. Ironically a good chunk of 9P135's weight is the casing and the metal tripod (tripod being 4kg). 

 

The whole system for the M47 is 15.5 kg (with the SU36). If you want to operate by night then we get into fun territory. The TAS-5 adds another 10 KG. 

 

In layman's terms both missiles will expose their operators for 10 seconds at maximum range. While the rest of the world disposed of portable missiles going twice that speed and usually at least twice the range. 

 

What's with this selective reading. 

[Pascal 10]

18 hours ago, XhaxhiEnver said:

While the M47 real counterpart was the Metis, the weight of the system put it right on Fagot/Faktoria territory. 

 

So what's the weight of these both systems, say again? I do really want to see first, before everything else an Fagot ATGM in which the M47 is in it's territory considering the weight of the system.

 

Ironically no matter how many ATGMs you will compare by just the missile without the launch tube the total weight of the system remains something completely different, surprisingly.

 

3 hours ago, XhaxhiEnver said:

The whole system for the M47 is 15.5 kg (with the SU36). If you want to operate by night then we get into fun territory. The TAS-5 adds another 10 KG.

 

Yes operating by night is truly a fun territory, considering when comparable ATGMs received this kind of sight.

 

What's with this selective reading indeed.

[LoooSeR 6,118]

Further ATGMs talk should take place here: 

 

[XhaxhiEnver 1]

8 hours ago, Pascal said:

 

So what's the weight of these both systems, say again? I do really want to see first, before everything else an Fagot ATGM in which the M47 is in it's territory considering the weight of the system.

 

Ironically no matter how many ATGMs you will compare by just the missile without the launch tube the total weight of the system remains something completely different, surprisingly.

 

 

Yes operating by night is truly a fun territory, considering when comparable ATGMs received this kind of sight.

 

What's with this selective reading indeed.

 

 

The weight of the missile is similar. 

The Fagot and Faktoria are at 12kg. The 77A variant is 10.7kg.

Metis at 6.5 kg. 

 

You understand that the Mulat 115 is 5kg. Half the weight of the TAS-5.

You also understand that the Metis was introduced 3 years after the Dragon was introduced and that the TAS-5 FAR WORSE than the Mulat. 

You do also understand that if you wanted to stabilize the launcher you had to ad a 17 kg tripod (M175 Lafett) which meant that the damn thing was as heavy as the Fagot...while having a third of the EFR (and I'm being generous).

 

The system remains something different indeed. 

 

Looser, this is the last post about this subject with this gentleman. If he replies I will address the issue to the appropriate thread. 

[LoooSeR 6,118]

   Maybe that is about Kamov concept

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   TSAMTO, August 29. The Kamov company (part of the Helicopters of Russia JSC) has developed a technology that allows a combat helicopter to reach speeds of up to 600 km/h
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About this, as reported by RIA Novosti, said company general designer Sergei Mikheev.

“I managed to find a solution (I patented it) that allows a combat helicopter to reach speeds of more than 600 km/h,” he said at