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Here's the thing, most conservatives I know are ardent anti-racists and have been their whole life. Judging others as individuals is a core part of their morality since they were young, imparted to th

Finally,  a Trump proposal I can support.

I am saying that.  If the Democrats want to remain competitive, they need to dig out decades worth of Chicago machine apparatchiks and Clinton lackeys and send them to the salt mines.  If the Republic

On 6/14/2019 at 9:56 AM, Ramlaen said:

Sorry, did the CIA want to place a spy around Kim but got blocked by Trump?

 

Is it normal for the head of the CIA and FBI to fabricate a collusion narrative around a presidential candidate with the wrong letter next to his name? Asking for a friend.

 

I'm sure Kim is very happy knowing that Trump is his little bitch.

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1 hour ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

I'm sure Kim is very happy knowing that Trump is his little bitch.

   Same could be said about Saudis+all of recent US presidents before Trump. Doesn't make it a) True b) relevant for internal US politics.

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6 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

   Same could be said about Saudis+all of recent US presidents before Trump. Doesn't make it a) True b) relevant for internal US politics.

 

The Saudis are terrible, but they are not an adversary state.  And I don't remember any former US president getting up on a public stage and talking about "beautiful letters' and how "we fell in love" with a Saudi king. 

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2 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

The Saudis are terrible, but they are not an adversary state.  And I don't remember any former US president getting up on a public stage and talking about "beautiful letters' and how "we fell in love" with a Saudi king. 

   You don't need to be vocal about it. Arms sales speak better.

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2 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

   You don't need to be vocal about it. Arms sales speak better.

 

The US sells or gives arms to all sorts of countries if it furthers the interests of the US.  It's what great powers do.  What great powers generally don't do is get in front of cameras and proclaim their love for the leader of an adversary state.  That's just fucking weird.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

The US sells or gives arms to all sorts of countries if it furthers the interests of the US.  It's what great powers do.  What great powers generally don't do is get in front of cameras and proclaim their love for the leader of an adversary state.  That's just fucking weird.

US president can say whatever he want, if it advances US interests, no?

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12 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Making the US look foolish on the world stage does nothing to advance US interests.  It may benefit Russia and China perhaps.

   You are existing in parallel universe. Plenty of previous US presidents made US look way more foolish than Trump ever managed to do in eyes of outsiders.

   Also, how exactly will Russia benefit from Trump saying nice things to North Koreans and generally doing something to de-escalate situation between NK and US? I see only negatives for us.

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3 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

   You are existing in parallel universe. Plenty of previous US presidents made US look way more foolish than Trump ever managed to do in eyes of outsiders.

   Also, how exactly will Russia benefit from Trump saying nice things to North Koreans and generally doing something to de-escalate situation between NK in US? I see only negatives for us.

Prior to WW2, Roosevelt was quite pleased with the outcome of the Munich agreement.

 

The biggest difference is the depth (or lack of) the reporting, the absence of press impartiality, and the ability of said "news" to be quickly distributed.

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28 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Perhaps Roosevelt was pleased.  However, I don't remember him talking about how Hitler sent him a beautiful letter and that they fell in love.  

Likely for the reasons I already mentioned.

 

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3 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

The Saudis are terrible, but they are not an adversary state.  And I don't remember any former US president getting up on a public stage and talking about "beautiful letters' and how "we fell in love" with a Saudi king. 

 

2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

Perhaps Roosevelt was pleased.  However, I don't remember him talking about how Hitler sent him a beautiful letter and that they fell in love.  

 

Letters,love and US president? There's a nice book about something like that, Roosevelt and Stalin: The Failed Courtship by Robert Nesbit.

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Saying he fell in love with Kim was pretty weird, but NK seems pretty weird from the statements they release so it's not unlikely that the love fest was what NK wanted. Eh, if it works it works.

 

It's not working too great now admittedly, but there was an attempt at least. A bit of embarrassment is better than millions of people dying.

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5 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

The US sells or gives arms to all sorts of countries if it furthers the interests of the US.  It's what great powers do.  What great powers generally don't do is get in front of cameras and proclaim their love for the leader of an adversary state.  That's just fucking weird.


TBH, I'm willing to try weird shit with North Korea. Almost any end state is better than what we started with in 2016, outside of nuclear war.

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7 hours ago, Sturgeon said:


TBH, I'm willing to try weird shit with North Korea. Almost any end state is better than what we started with in 2016, outside of nuclear war.

 

I don't see how we are in any different state that we were in 2016.  Trump came in and escalated things with crazy talk about "who has the bigger red button" and so forth. Then, after creating a crisis, he did his summit so he could claim to have "solved" the issue, despite there being no concrete concessions on the part of NK. And then, as time goes by, people start to realize that the only difference from 2016 to now is that the US made a bunch of concessions and gave Kim fat face some serious international coverage and accomplished fuck all.  NK is still developing nukes, and the POTUS says he would not dare inconvenience the NK leader by attempting to place any intelligence assets near him. Hooray for us.

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On 6/16/2019 at 10:26 AM, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

I don't see how we are in any different state that we were in 2016.  Trump came in and escalated things with crazy talk about "who has the bigger red button" and so forth. Then, after creating a crisis, he did his summit so he could claim to have "solved" the issue, despite there being no concrete concessions on the part of NK. And then, as time goes by, people start to realize that the only difference from 2016 to now is that the US made a bunch of concessions and gave Kim fat face some serious international coverage and accomplished fuck all.  NK is still developing nukes, and the POTUS says he would not dare inconvenience the NK leader by attempting to place any intelligence assets near him. Hooray for us.

And it's pretty much the best policy the US has had on NK since the war.

 

Seriously, the best thing the US could do for that part of the world is to fuck off (maybe hand the South Koreans have a few nukes on the way out) and let NK evolve into a sweatshop developmental economy for a generation.

 

Edit: I know I'm stepping in randomly here, it's just one of the confusing things for me as a bit of a left-leaning outsider to see lefty folk in the US shitting on Trump for one of his few not-completely-fucked foreign policy decisions.

 

I'd personally be happy if the US just broadly started stepping back a bit from constantly fucking around in areas where it has no compelling interests, and it's insane to me that only president beyond-the-pale was even willing to contemplate it in this case.

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18 hours ago, Toxn said:

I'd personally be happy if the US just broadly started stepping back a bit from constantly fucking around in areas where it has no compelling interests, and it's insane to me that only president beyond-the-pale was even willing to contemplate it in this case.

 

Tells you a lot that only person who isn't so beholden to someone or another that they can even explore modest change to the status quo is the insane billionaire.

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37 minutes ago, Collimatrix said:

 

Tells you a lot that only person who isn't so beholden to someone or another that they can even explore modest change to the status quo is the insane billionaire.

It does, unfortunately.

 

Quick question for the US crowd: would any major foreign policy events of the last 30 years have been different if the other guy had been president? Off the top of my head I can think of maybe Gore not invading Iraq (he'd still have invaded Afghanistan though).

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15 minutes ago, Toxn said:

 

Quick question for the US crowd: would any major foreign policy events of the last 30 years have been different if the other guy had been president? Off the top of my head I can think of maybe Gore not invading Iraq (he'd still have invaded Afghanistan though).

 

Gore would have invaded Iraq.

I love watching liberals catch up to conservatives. The right has known that Republicans are all Scooby-Doo-style Democrats in a fucking mask for years. It's such common knowledge that there are multiple terms for it, which have changed with the generations. RINOs, cuckservatives, etc.

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