Marsh Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 That is media noise that have nothing to do with actual situation. The vehicle serial number was known for a long time, AFAIK tank was found to be not a tank with missing crew. And Israel accepted vehicle as participant of that battle, not as evidence for investigation. You are exactly right. I hope this exchange helps build and repair relations between the two countries. It amazes me when I visit Israel. just how many Russian speakers there are and how significant Russian culture still is for many second generation immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yet another photo of this kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Merkava tank in Syria (Qunetria province) near Israel-Syrian border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Merkava 3, AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Rumors are saying that Israeli Army want to mount a RCWS with 30 mm autocannon on Namer, at least for tests. It is possible that new turret will be based on this one: Elbit will be main developer of new turret. It will be equipped with Meil Ruakh APS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hi LoooSeR, At least two different 30mm cannon/ATGM capable RCWS have already been trialled on the Namer for years now. The problem is funding and to an extent doctrine. It was the intention of MANTAK to introduce such a firepower support Namer, right from the earliest days of the concept. However, no funds were available.. Cheers Marsh Collimatrix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bronezhilet Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Oy vey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Marsh and Scolopax 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Camo by Fibrotex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Some Merkava picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I like how the chains on the back of the Merkava turret basically give it the appearance of having a mullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Do your own calculations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 That part is not representative of real armor of Merkava 4. Open hatch on the other hand - is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 That part is not representative of real armor of Merkava 4. Open hatch on the other hand - is. Actually the LoS achieved on the UFP is somewhere around 750mm and is almost touching the engine. This is more than the Abrams LFP LoS thickness. According to a Polish expert who analysed the Merkava 2 in the early 80's, the frontal armor scheme was a cast nose armor (encompasses UFP and LFP), followed by most likely fuel cells, followed by an armor bulkhead, followed by engine, followed by another armor bulkhead. Basically 3 layers of armor and an engine before you reach the crew compartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Yeah, i know about internal layers of armor plates between UFP and crew compartment. I think we were talking about this in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Now the IDF got their own wheeled death traps™. LoooSeR, Belesarius and Marsh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Yep. That's the Eitan APC which I believe was declassified today. Good catch with those photos. Cheers Marsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Apparently it's slated to replace the old M113s in Israeli service. Mike Sparks is going to divide by zero when he finds out. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Hi, Yep re Sparky. However, this beastie is almost double the weight of a Stryker and will be fitted with an active protection system. So, hopefully, it will be more survivable than most wheeled APCs. Which, I am not a great fan of, to be honest. cheers Marsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Won't exactly call these bad boys "death traps". First of all, they're coming equipped with a Trophy APS. and thanks to a 40mm cannon they'll put up a fight. Second, I don't know any missile yet that can go through 2 layers of ERA and still pierce a vehicle's armor. And third, unlike the previous incident in which the vehicles were destroyed due to lack of situational awareness, these will come equipped with Elbit IronVision, which is essentially a helmet that gives the crew the ability to see through the vehicle, much like in the F-35. Expensive, but the vehicle is still significantly cheaper than its competitors. Besides, they won't go where the Namers go. They'll stay farther from the danger zones. Which begs the question: Will the Namers also get an autocannon? Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 "Wheeled death traps" is a joke/meme. I don't see any ERA on the Eitan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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