Models and pictures of Soviet MBT designs from 80s. Object 477A, Object 490 Buntar and Object 299.

[Collimatrix]

They've got a lot of faith in their APS if they're ditching ERA entirely.

 

Also, max interception speed of 1700 m/s?  That's completely insane if it's true.

[Mike E]

They've got a lot of faith in their APS if they're ditching ERA entirely.

 

Also, max interception speed of 1700 m/s?  That's completely insane if it's true.

They aren't. IMO all of the ERA has been replace by the ballistic solution. 

 

It's going to be 3,000 m/s in the future, according to rumors. 

[Collimatrix]

They aren't. IMO all of the ERA has been replace by the ballistic solution. 

 

It's going to be 3,000 m/s in the future, according to rumors. 

 

APS needs the millimeter wave radar to be on, to get an accurate fix on the incoming threat, and for the computers to generate some sort of fire control solution for the APS in a timely fashion.

 

ERA is always on.

 

ERA cannot be jammed.

[Mike E]

APS needs the millimeter wave radar to be on, to get an accurate fix on the incoming threat, and for the computers to generate some sort of fire control solution for the APS in a timely fashion.

 

ERA is always on.

 

ERA cannot be jammed.

If it can engage a 1,700 m/s target, it probably won't take long to engage a 3,000 m/s target. Zaslon can actually hit ~1,700 m/s APFSDS but is only rated at 1,200 m/s, so Afganit may already be up there. 

 

We all know Relikt can be jammed, because it uses radar, because wiki says so. 

[vick7]

If it can engage a 1,700 m/s target, it probably won't take long to engage a 3,000 m/s target. Zaslon can actually hit ~1,700 m/s APFSDS but is only rated at 1,200 m/s, so Afganit may already be up there. 

 

We all know Relikt can be jammed, because it uses radar, because wiki says so. 

This Afghanit APS may be Russia's stepping stone to directed energy weapons,  Russia has long had a history of surprising the world with revolutionary stuff like (AK-47) (VA-111 Shkval) (APS underwater rifle) (S-75 Dvina) (T-64A) (T-34) (Zulu v) (R-36MUTTKH)

And look up (List of space exploration milestones, 1957–1969) and (list of space stations)

[Mike E]

DEW's in the role of APS are many decades off, because of the need to store energy, cost, inefficiency etc.

[LoooSeR]

Afganit is what i call inderect energy weapon/APS :-D

Malakhit is not "better Relikt", it is other way around. Armata still use ERA, because each module still have explosives in it, but their new ERA is blend between conventional ERA and NERA.

[Mike E]

I still like calling it MERA, makes it easy to describe. "Minimal-explosive-reactive-armor"

The new 'MERA' seems to be more oriented around the plates than the explosives.

[LoooSeR]

    That MERA...i like this name  

    It is 2-piece device where both parts are equally important. As i understood explosives creates a shockwaves and vibration in ballistic part, that increase it's ability to fuck up HEAT jets and APFSDS (i guess). 

 

 

So, Object 477 could load it's 8-shots autoloader only when turret was in -+20 degrees arc to hull.

[vick7]

Is the T-15 a newer HIFV of this Object 299 one?  A what is that gun it has 57mm like what the BMP-3M is getting soon?

And as im on this il add this for the Object 292 https://youtu.be/MGn0qSE95D0

[LoooSeR]

Please, look at Armata thread, everything is in it. The whole Armata project have connections to Object 299 development.

[Mike E]

From the quote you originally posted, it sounds like multi-layers of the stuff will really effective against APFSDS. How hilarious if it renders the M829E4 obsolete.

[vick7]

From the quote you originally posted, it sounds like multi-layers of the stuff will really effective against APFSDS. How hilarious if it renders the M829E4 obsolete.

That would be a LOL! moment  and NATO would be well behind the Russian's like they were for most of the cold war       

Say what you will but the Tank gap in the cold war gave the Russians the edge from 1947-1991

[LoooSeR]

Some Object 299 stats - protection:

Against APFSDS - more than 1100 mm,

HEAT - >1400

[Mike E]

1100 mm? Holy bollocks yes please. Hopefully Armata isn't too far off.

[Tied]

its probably ahead, not counting whatever ERA it has 

[LoooSeR]

As i understand, Object 299 was planned to have several "frontal armors". One is "external", and one after the engine, which also acted as crew capsule frontal armor module. It reminds me Merkava tank hull armor layout.

In case of T-14 frontal armor don't have such spaced armor effect helping to disperse HEAT jet or parts of APFSDS, that penetrated external frontal armor. Designers might have used such armor layout for T-15.

[LoooSeR]

It seems that they are moving those Objects in/from Kubinka.

292

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

One of Object 299 crew capsule design

[LoooSeR]

 

[Mohamed A]

As a T-80 fanboy, the cancellation of the Object 292 is a great disappointment. 

 

I wonder why they pulled it out now though... Then again, they also pulled out the MiG 1.44.

 

Wait.. LP-83 on T-14? 

[LoooSeR]

 

 

   The only available image of Nota is on the assembly in the experimental factory shop KhZTM in 1992. Radar is not yet mounted, secondary gun and tracks are not installed as well.

 

   One can see the 152 mm gun with a gun reference system, the secondary gunner sight, Shtora jammers and chassis with rollers from the T-80.

 

   For it [Nota] 6TD-4 6TD-5 were meant to be used, in 1500 and 1650 hp respectively. Last one [6TD-5 1650 hp engine] (only working unit) now is somewhere in Russia. 

 

 

Nota was planned to be equipped with radars - targeting radar for a gunner and radar rangefinder. Both didn't worked well.

[LoooSeR]

Object 477 chassis prototype

 

[LoooSeR]

Object 292

 

 

[LoooSeR]

Size comparisons:

 

T-14 vs Object 195

 

Object 477 Boxer (or Molot) vs T-14 

 

 

T-80 and Object 195