Sturgeon Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/18/white-widow-samantha-lewthwaite-has-killed-400-people-5202429/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3085770/White-Widow-Samantha-Lewthwaite-masterminded-400-murders.html The problem with softballing of Islam is it stunts efforts to prevent radical Islam from taking hold at home. The reality is that there's no politically correct solution for this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Why Sturgeon, it's almost like you don't understand the true value of diversity and tolerance. I shall have to report you to the campus officials so you can be assigned to an appropriate sensitivity training course. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xthetenth Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 On the other hand, it becomes a whole hell of a lot easier to sell a persecuted minority narrative to a minority that is, in fact, persecuted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 On the other hand, it becomes a whole hell of a lot easier to sell a persecuted minority narrative to a minority that is, in fact, persecuted. That's what Western radicals do, not fundie Muslims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Do I get to use the same arguments to lock up jehova's witnesses, seventh-day adventists and scientologists? Because they really annoy me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Do I get to use the same arguments to lock up jehova's witnesses, seventh-day adventists and scientologists? Because they really annoy me... I was going to use a flippant response like "Sure, when they start strapping suicide vests onto their chests". But then I remembered that I've eaten potluck served by my wife's relatives. And veggie meats and the accompanying vegetarian fare served by Seventh Day Adventists truly are a crime against humanity. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hare krishnas do good food, but are even more annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Do I get to use the same arguments to lock up jehova's witnesses, seventh-day adventists and scientologists? Because they really annoy me... Bad argument, because I didn't advocate locking up of peaceful Muslims, and Western society isn't having anywhere near the problems with SDAs and Scientologists that it is having with Islamic extremists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It wasn't meant particularly seriously, although I admit that it is hard to tell that this is so. A better argument: what do you mean by 'soft balling' and how would this impact on freedom of religion and your country's lack of hate speech laws (IIRC)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It wasn't meant particularly seriously, although I admit that it is hard to tell that this is so. A better argument: what do you mean by 'soft balling' and how would this impact on freedom of religion and your country's lack of hate speech laws (IIRC)? It's a big problem in the UK, particularly, where "Asian" (their general term for near-Asians; Pakistanis and such) criminals are not prosecuted as vigorously as they should be, because law enforcement is afraid of being called racist. The consequences for this sort of political correctness are decidedly nontrivial. It's much less bad in the US, but it often seems as though we're headed that way, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It's a big problem in the UK, particularly, where "Asian" (their general term for near-Asians; Pakistanis and such) criminals are not prosecuted as vigorously as they should be, because law enforcement is afraid of being called racist. The consequences for this sort of political correctness are decidedly nontrivial. Is there any hard policy evidence of this, or is it more of a "soft" thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 There's shitloads of evidence for it, but I'm not sure if it's official policy or unofficial policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 The best known example (either of racial bias in policing or general incompetence on a massive scale, you decide) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 We can see it in this country. I've seen several stories coming out of the Baltimore area about police officers reluctant to make arrests in certain communities. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-violence-surging-20150518-story.html#navtype=outfit&page=1 Rawlings-Blake also downplayed concerns expressed by some Baltimore officers that members of the force are hesitant to make arrests after prosecutors brought charges in the Gray case, and that criminals might take advantage. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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