Explosive Reactive Armor

[Bronezhilet]

Colli, I'm getting more questions than answers here. When I get home I'll do some more research/thinking and hopefully I can make some sense then.

[Collimatrix]

3BK31:

 

 

Sadly, all pictures on English-speaking internet are tiny and made of approximately ten pixels.

 

And this is what it does to RHA:

 

Outside diameter is 125mm, and it's shot out of guns so it moves quite quickly.

 

I seriously doubt that the precursor charge is intended to set off ERA before the main charge hits it, because they are too close together and closing distance too quickly for that to do any good.  Also, the main charge is in-between the two other charges.

[Bronezhilet]

3BK31:

 

 

Sadly, all pictures on English-speaking internet are tiny and made of approximately ten pixels.

 

And this is what it does to RHA:

 

Outside diameter is 125mm, and it's shot out of guns so it moves quite quickly.

 

I seriously doubt that the precursor charge is intended to set off ERA before the main charge hits it, because they are too close together and closing distance too quickly for that to do any good.  Also, the main charge is in-between the two other charges.

I was looking around and I noticed that the stand-offs on the Panzerfaust 3 and 3T. It looks like the 3T has a longer stand-off than the 3, which makes no sense at all. If the forward charge is designed to get the ERA out of the way the stand-off would be huge for the main charge. Granted, the mirror might be different, but that most likely will not result in a 10+cm stand-off change.

 

Also, I don't know about 3BK31, but older variants bleed speed quite quickly. Sure they won't go reach Panzerfaust speeds at a reasonable distance, but BK-14M dips under Mach 1 between 3300 and 3400 m.

 

It looks to me that the second main charge of the 3BK31 round is designed to hit the exact same hole as the first main charge. They're basically trying to make one very long jet, or 2 jets that hit the exact same spot. The diameter of the second main is quite a bit smaller as the first one as well. As for the forward charge... I'm downloading ANSYS right now. Hopefully I can run some simulations without too many problems.

[Bronezhilet]

Turns out Windows cannot handle 4000 files on my desktop.

 

On a sidenote, dont tell ANSYS AUTODYN to save files on your desktop.

[Bronezhilet]

Colli, it looks like you might be wrong.

 

I did some checks on how the detonation wave travels through a block of PETN. The shock front has a pressure of  ~25000000 kPa, or 250000 bar (that's 3.6 MILLION PSI for you imperialist bastards).

I know that ERA isn't mounted directly onto the armour, but oh well. Sidenote: I made a hole in the flyer plate, which makes no sense in a 2D simulation. The plate would fly straight forward irl.

 

When the shock front hits the armour, it rebounds, creating a pretty nasty pressure spike of ~53000000 kpa, or 530000 bar (7.7 MILLION PSI).

 

This all happens in ~0.006 ms, or 6 microseconds.

 

After ~0.009 ms, or 9 microseconds:

 

And when you wait a really really really long time, like 0.04 ms, or 40 microseconds, pressures drop to more acceptable levels:

 

The shock front is gone, but a high pressure area stays. Max pressure is 7400000 kpa, or 7400 bar (~107000 PSI). Pressures are dropping very very quickly at this point. In 0.003 ms, or 3 microseconds, pressure has dropped by 2000000 kPa, or 2000 bar (~30000 PSI).

 

I think the forward charge is indeed intended to set off the ERA blocks. Not to get the blocks out of the way, but to prevent a collision between the main jet and the shock front moving at ~7 km/s. I can totally see an ultra-high pressure front moving at hypersonic speeds screwing up a HEAT jet.

 

Edit: I don't know what the detonation speeds of the explosive compounds in the most common ERA blocks are, they're probably slower than 7 km/s.

[Bronezhilet]

Forgot to mention, the PETN block is 50x200 mm.

This block creates a nice and clear shock front and rebound, but I bet you can make some very creative and effective shock fronts/waves by changing the shape of the block, inserting non-explosive elements, changing the shape of the backstop, etc.

[Bronezhilet]

Well, after some more research, I might be the one that's wrong. It might have something to do with the Kelvin–Helmholtz instability, which is deforming the jet. But I'm not completely sure.

 

 

...five posts in a row, somebody stop me.

[Collimatrix]

But the jet in weaponized shaped charges is solid, just under great pressure so it elastically collapses into the jet. Would k-h instability occur in such a medium?

[Bronezhilet]

But the jet in weaponized shaped charges is solid, just under great pressure so it elastically collapses into the jet. Would k-h instability occur in such a medium?

Yes.

Above test was an inert reactive armor test, an explosive reactive armour test gave this result:

(part B is the same as "t = 30 microseconds" in the first picture)

 

Interesting to note that the first ~5 cm of the jet in the inert test isn't damaged, but is in the explosive test. Is it because it had to pass through a shock front, or something else?

 

This is also interesting:

[Bronezhilet]

I think I actually understand what happens inside an ERA block when a shaped charge hits it and how those two interact. Help me remember to make a post about it this weekend.

[Bronezhilet]

Had a little chat with a military researcher about this, and his stance was more or less like:

"If you say so... *hint* *hint* *wink* *wink*".

[Militarysta]

My article about ukrainian ERA "Knife" and "Duplet":

 

In russian:

http://warfiles.ru/show-101186-ukrainskaya-dinamicheskaya-zaschita-nozh-chast-1.html

http://malikobalo.appspot.com/otvaga2004.ru/tanki/tanki-concept/era-nozh_part2/

http://malikobalo.appspot.com/otvaga2004.ru/tanki/tanki-concept/era-nozh_part3/

 

And in eglish:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c47_1421699338

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67c_1423601762

 

I hope it will be interesting :-)

 

 

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About polish ERAWA and ERAWA-2 armour ERA:

(mo old article from BTVT) :-)

 

Polish Explosive reactive armor:

ERAWA-1 and ERAWA-2

 

·Origins of the ERAWA armor

·ERAWA -1 – the build and effectiveness

·ERAWA -2 – the build and effectiveness

·ERAWA armor on PT-91 and PT-91MZ

·ERAWA-2 unique features, and compare whit other ERA armors.

 

Origins of the ERAWA armor

 

               The ERAWA armor is connected whit person of the Prof. Ph.D. D.Sc. Adam WIŚNIEWSKI from Military Institute of Armament Technology (WITU) in Poland. Name of this reactive armor is based on acronym: Explosive Reactive Armor  Wiśniewski Adam 1 and 2 layered.

               The origins of the ERAWA are hidden in half of the 1980s when polish Military Institute of Armament Technology had started (in  person Prof. Ph.D Wiśniewski) development process about new armor for deep modernization of the T-72M1. In fact WITU work had started about whole family of the armor whit two „tank” part: ceramic CAWA armor for main tank armor and  explosive ERAWA armor as external layer.

Rumors about eastern (Soviet Union) origins of the ERAWA are false. Polish Army during negotiation about future production in Poland T-72s tank (planned at half of the 1990s) rejected Kontakt-1 armor as solution whit many flaws and not good enough against  suspected RPG's and ATGMS warhead in breakthrough of the 1980/1990.

New armor ERAWA-1 was available in 1993 whit first PT-91 prototype.

 

 

ERAWA -1 – the build and efectivnes

 

Basic parameters of the ERAWA-1 cassette:

(Photo description:

Left: ERAWA-1 TX cassette

Right: ERAWA-1 patent draw:  1-casette; 2-HE (trotyl or trotyl-heksogen); 3- external HHS (HB500) plate ~6mm thick; 5,6 – screws;

7 - brackets  for ERAWA-1 cassette in distance 30-50mm form armor )

 

 

I. Parameters:

1. Size of the ERAWA-1 cassette - 150x150x26 mm

2. Mass of the ERAWA-1 cassette - 2.9 kg

 

 

ERAWA-1 is build form RHA cassette whit HE insert (TNT or TNT-hexogen) cover by circa 6mm HHS plate whit 500HB hardness. Whole cassette is mounted by two screws to the  brackets.  This build, seems to be primitive, but thanks to strong explosive and very good quality HHS plates provides very good capability of the protection:

 

 

Capability of the Protection is based on formula:

CP - capability of protection
CP=(H-Hw)/H
H- Guaranteed penetration RHA armor with thick "H"
Hw - real depth of perforation RHA armor (witness) after perforation ERAWA brick

In result ERAWA-1 (single layered) have sucht efectivnes valued in CP factor:

against hand held AT weapons sucht Komar (The Mosqito), PG-7 and PG-9 whit (circa 300-330mm RHA penetration):

CP = 92%

against 9M113 warhed (circa 460mm RHA penetration):

CP = 83%

against 125mm BK-14M round (circa 450mm RHA penetration):

CP = 94%

 

ERAWA-1 casettes are insensitive to react:

·during impact of

·AP small calibre amunition

·fragments from exploding projectiles

·during burning of by: petrol, napalm, thermite

 

Seafty tests ERAWA-1 photos:

 

 

 

ERAWA -2 – the build and effectives

 

ERAWA-2 (two layered) was answer for modern thread: AT weapons whit precursor (PG-7VR, MBT LAW, Panzerfaust-3T etc), EFP projectiles formed from 100mm cone diameter, partially APFSDS penetrators, and challenge to reduce RCS tank signature. ERAWA-2 and ERAWA-1 cassettes are fully swichable.

 

Basic parameters of the ERAWA-2 cassette:

 

Photo description:

Left: ERAWA-2 TX02 cassette

Right: ERAWA-2 patent draw:  1-casette; 2 double HE layer (trotyl or trotyl-heksogen); 3- thin HHS plate separation two HE layers;

4- thin metal  lid ; 5 – ceramics layer; 6 – thin HHS plate; 7- rivet/screw; 8 - brackets  for ERAWA-2 casette in distance 30-50mm form armor; 9 – screw between cassette and brackets, 10 – mounted nut. )

Parameters:

1. Size of the ERAWA-2 cassette - 150x150x46 mm

2. Mass of the ERAWA-2 cassette - 4.7 kg

 

 

Internal build of the ERAWA-2 cassette is much more sophisticated then ERAWA-1 and it's very different then other known ERA cassettes.

Basic build is similar to the ERAWA-1 – metal cassette attached by mounted screws to brackets in distance 30-50mm from armor surface. But internal ERAWA-2 build is different. First they are two HE layers inside cassette separated by thin (circa 2-3mm) HHS plate whit hardness above 500HB. Probably both HE layers have slightly different HE material whit different reaction time and other parameters. Second – external ERAWA-2 plate is not thick HHS plate but multilayered layout  made by: thin metal lid then  circa 4-5mm thick ceramic layer  and second thin (circa 2-3mm) HHS plate whit hardness above 500HB.

Such, unusual, layout make ERAWA-2 different then other known ERA. And give surprisingly good capabilities of the protection:

 

 

·Agiainst single SC (HEAT) warheads like 9M113 (Konkurs) or 9M111M (Fagot) or BK-14M

CP = 95%

·Against single EFP formed form  100mm cone diameter and penetration circa 85mm RHA

CP= 94%

During test ERAWA-2 proof abiities to protect in PT-91 hull top and turret top against EFP formed from 50-155mm cone diameter (so up to 120mm RHA penetration) and to protect hull sides against EFP formed form 200mm cone (so up to 150mm RHA penetration).

 

·Against APFSDS rounds 3BM15 (125mm) and DM-33A1 (120mm)

CP in first case (3BM15) was equal to 57%

 

      CP in second case (DM33A1) was not given, but ERAWA-2 placed on PT-91 hull model (so T-72M1) was enought to    stop APFSDS whit guaranted 470mm RHA penetration,  from 600m distance:

 

 

 

In this case DM-33 penetartor was heavy damage during ERAWA-2 penetration, then perforate first plate and rebound from deeper (glas textolite) layers without reach second RHA plate (backplate)

PT-91 hull is consist by:  (for 90 degree) 60 mm RHA + 105 mm STEF + 50 mm RHA, and glasstextolite thickness effectiveness is circa 0.4 against APFSDS, and ERAWA-2 cassette is 46mm thick

 

So layout for 68 degree is: ~120mm ERAWA-2 cassette + 160mm RHA + 280mm STEF + 146mm RHA  

Hull base armor (without ERAWA) works as circa 420mm RHA against APFSDS.

Guaranteed DM-33A1 penetration is 470mm RHA on 2000m. DM-33A1 after passing ERAWA-2  perforate first RHA plate and circa half STEF layer then rebound.

In theory ERAWA-2 give CP=42% in this case  (using formula: CP=(H-Hw)/H) but in author opinion such test is not relevant cause rather rebound mechanism then only ERAWA-2 working. Some sources (Kajetanowicz J., POLIGON 2/2013, „Czołg podstawowy PT-91 Twardy” page 7.)  give ERWA-2 abilities to reduce APFSDS penetration up to 30-40%. What is consist whit above example.  For the other hand -  both used on test APFSDS rounds are not modern. 3BM15 is complete obsolete and antic and DM-33A1 is not really young (DOI 1987). Probably ERAWA-2 test against much modern rounds (DM53, M829A2, KEW-A2, OLF-F1, M332) will give much worse results. Anyway - ERAWA-2 ERA incares a lot protection of the PT-91 tank against non monoblock penetrator, so: 3BM15, 3BM22, 3BM26, 3BM42 and even help against first generation longer monoblock penetrator (DM33). So for typical angle +/- 30. degree from longitude tank axis  and against APFSDS from half of the 1980s  decade ERAWA-2 have capability of the protection – circa CP= 50-60% for penetrator whit tungsten or steel slug inside  and achieve unknown (30%?)  but rather significant protection against slightly younger APFSDS whit monoblock penetrator (DM33A1).

 

·Against SC warhead (HEAT) whit precursor.

Proliferation of the AT hand held weapons whit precursor able to destroy ERA cassette starts to be serious problem for armor developers in 1990s decade. Most of the precursors are working not as typical SC warhead able to perforate armor and are not working in idea „fast ERA detonation” before main warhead SC jet hit target. In modern hand held AT weapons (PG-7VR, MBT-LAW, PzF-3T and IT600, probably in RPG-29) precursor is working in different way. As Panzerfaust-3IT developers wrote: „The dual warhead has a small first charge and a main shaped charge. The first charge penetrates the reactive add-on armor on the combat vehicle without initiating the charge inside it to ensure it does not compromise or pre-vent the armor-piercing action of the main shaped charge.” Such mechanism was describe in some ballistic symposium thesis too:

 

ERAWA-2 was tested against several tandem warhead (main warhead + precursor) AT weapons, but probably the most difficult test was against Pzf-3T and PzF-3IT600:

 

 

 

Pzf-3IT600 main warhead (110mm diameter) is able to perforate 900mm RHA plate, and PzF-3T warhead is able to perforate 800mm RHA plate.

Both of them where tested against ERAWA-2 cassettes placed on angle 30 and 15 degree (so 75 and 60 degree form the surface):

 

 

 

 

The result was more then good:

 

ERAWA-2 against PzF-3T placed at 30 degree (60) achieve CP = 50%  what including sophisticated precursor in Pzf-3T and powerful 110mm warhead (800mm RHA penetration) was greater success.

 

·Reduce tank RCS signature.

ERAWA-2 casettes are covered by 4mm special absorber layer (1K2KS and 1KF2KS absorber) whit mass 6kg/m2 and able to protect against radar working in band X and Ku whit f=8-16GHz. On typical PT-91 such absorber cover circa 20m2 and achive reduce detecting range at 50 to 60% for typical conditions. 

 

ERAWA armor on PT-91 and PT-91MZ

 

There was three generation of ERAWA armor on PT-91 tank.

First generation consisted 394 ERAWA-1 cassette. On hull front was placed 118 cassettes and on turret 108 cassettes.

On each hull side was placed 84 cassettes.  Such cover weight circa 1144kg.

ERAWA-1 cassettes are mounted by screws and nuts to individual metal  brackets  on armor surface:

 

 

Photo:

First generation ERAWA mount on early PT-91 tank prototype:

 

 

Second generation ERAWA armor on serial PT-91 tank consist 296 ERAWA casettes:

·204 x ERAWA-1

·92 x ERAWA-2

 

With total weight 2014kg and mounted by screws to the special metal bar- brackets:

 

 

 

 

Photo:

second  generation ERAWA mount on serial PT-91 tank :

 

 

 

 

Third generation ERAWA armor on PT-91 tank consist 259 cassettes:

·164 ERAWA-1

·92 ERAWA-2

Weight 907kg.  The main change is modular designed to achieve faster replace damage cassettes on battelfield.  On hull are placed 79 segments, on turret 90 segments and on each hull side 45 segments. This generation layout is used on PT-91M „Pendekar” (or „Malaj”) for Malaysia, PT-91Ex and PT-91P prototypes.

 

Photo:

Third  generation ERAWA mount on serial PT-91M „Pendekar” tank :

 

It is importand to notice that typical ERAWA can't be use on light platforms like IFV or APCs. ERAWA armor will not be use on Polish Leopard-2A4 and 2A 5 tanks for law resons – agreement whit KMW and German Republic excludes  non authorisated and non tested solution in Leopard-2 modernisation program. Cost of sucht certification  and legalization problems  propably will be to big to put ERAWA armor on polish Leopard-2.

 

 

ERAWA-2 unique features, and compare whit other ERA armors.

 

Polish ERAWA armor have some special features whit make ERAWA-1 and 2 very interesting example of different principles during ERA development process.

First – ERAWA cassette have small dimensions. While in other countries ERA cassettes are rather big, ERAWA developers had tried to make ERAWA cassettes as small as it possible, whit under cassette montage system. This solution give possibility to mounted ERA cassettes without heavy metal frame known from other ERA or without space between ERA cassettes. In some ERA gaps between cassettes are almost 50mm wide. ERAWA ERA haven't such problems, so it can better cove the tank. Any flat surface cover by ERAWA is protected in 95% of it's area. 

 

Photo:

Lack of any gaps between ERA cassettes on PT-91A hull and present sucht gaps on T-72B hull.

Photo: Compare turret cover by ERA:

 

Second special features of the ERAWA is its high effectiveness even on great angle. While most developers are trying to slopped ERA cassettes at 60 degree (30) form 0 to achieve some needed effectives level ERAWA-1 and ERAWA-2 can  be slopped at smaller angle whit the same effectiveness.

Typical ERAWA-2 CP value (capability of the protection) against single SC warhead is CP = 95% at 60. Degree ERA slopped angle. But even for extremely difficult for ERA cassettes angle 70-90. ERAWA-2 is effective in impressive CP=67-80%

 

Photo:

ERAWA-1 and ERAWA-2 effectiveness at difficult angle grater then 60.  

Third special feature of the ERAWA armor is confirmed abilities to significant reduce (CP=50% for 60. slopped angle) modern AT hand held SC (HEAT) warhead whit precursor. So Pzf-3T, PzF-3IT600, PG-7VR, RPG-29, MBT-LAW, etc

Some ERA manufacturer claimed that they ERA have counter double warhead abilities (Relikt, Knive -Duplet, ARAT-2, ERAWA-2, etc) But till now only in Poland (and Ukraine) are known and have confirm in open public sources evidences  that ERA armor can withstand such thread. Despite that ERAWA-2 ERA can stop most EFP warhead what is rather unique feature too, and it's cover by microwave absorber to reduce tank RCS.

The last, maybe not unique, but really good ERAWA armor feature is it's insensitive for  AP small caliber ammunition, fragments from exploding projectiles, and  burning of by: petrol, napalm, termite., insensitive for  10m height drop, and chain reaction after ERA cassette explosion. What more – ERAWA have confirm abilities to work in -50 to +80 C temperature, have more then 20 years guaranteed lifetime and is small and easy to fixed it on tank.

In compare to exist now ERA ( BRENUS, Blazer, ARAT-1, ARAT-2, Kontakt-1, Kontakt-5, Relikt, Knive /Duplet,) etc. ERAWA  have the smallest cassettes and it can cover the biggest tank area (except Ukrainian Knive ERA in Oplot-M modules). ERAWA-2 abilities to stop single HEAT warhead is rather no different then other ERA, this what is special in ERAWA is it's ability to work even on greater angle (90-70.) whit significant effectiveness (CP=67-80%) and abilities to stopped even big EFP warhead. Unknown is effectiveness of the ERAWA-2 againt big tandem ATGM warhed like in Kornet, Ataka, etc. Probably ERA will not achieve such good results in this scenario. But for the other hand – ERAWA-2 have confirm (not only in marketing ads) abilities to deal whit modern hand held SC (HEAT) warheds whit precursor. Reduce at 50% penetration for such warhead like PzF-3T (for 60 angle) and abilities to similar reduction in other modern AT weapons (like RPG-29) should be notice as extremely good.

This what modern ERA (Relikt, Knive, etc) have definitely better then ERAWA-2 is ability to stop APFSDS penetrator. Probably ERAWA can deal with only 1980s penetrators (3BM26, 3BM42, 3BM32, DM33A1 etc) whit fluent effectiveness between 30-56% and in case modern monoblock 1980s penetrator rather based on rebound mehanism (like in DM-33A1 case) then destroying penetrator. So effectiveness against modern APFSDS (even 1990s) is rather highly questionable. Good ERAWA feature is covered ERA cassette by microwave absorber to reduce RCS.

 

In summary: ERAWA-1 and ERAWA-2 are good example completely different way making ERA to achieve quite good results. Of course ERAWA seems not to be so good as the most modern IBD, FCCT Microtek, NII Stali  solutions, but it's not bad anyway. For polish point of view ERAWA armor was necessary and relatively cheap way to increase a lot PT-91 (so originally T-72M1) armor protection.

Future of the ERAWA armor in Poland is unclear. Probably for pure German reasons ERAWA will not be used during polish Leopard-2A4 modernization, and then Leopard-2A5 ones program. Trilateral Polish Army – German Army - KMW agreement almost blocked using pure polish solution in modernization program, and few allowed (polish RCWS, driver camera, BMS, etc) where more important and cheaper then long an expensive ERA certification process – including fire tests.

Lighter platforms don't need such heavy ERA as ERAWA-1/2 and in  polish Military Institute of Armament Technology was developed whole family armors for lighter then tanks platforms like:

- CERAWA-1 composite-reactive armor

- lightweight special bar armor (the cage)

- ceramic armor CAWA-4 and CAWA-3

- main multilayer passive armor CAWA-2  and CAWA-1NA armor

In other institutes in Poland where developed NERA armor and polonisated lightweight ceramic armor

for Rosomak (AMV) APC.

In fact ERAWA successor can be used only in future IFV.

 

 

Bibliography:

 

1. Wiśniewski A., Pancerze, budowa, projektowanie i badnie, Warszawa 2001

2. Wiśniewski A. „Protection of Light Armors Against Shaped Charge Projectiles”

3. Wiśniewski A. „Computer analysis of explosive sensitivity to projectile impact”

4. Kajetanowicz J., Czołg podstawowy PT-91 „Twardy”, POLIGON 3/1013

5. Opis patentowy Nr 156463 „Segmentowy pancerz aktywny”, WUP 03/92

6. Opis patentowy Nr 168122 „Czołg z pancerzem reaktywnym”, WUP 01/96

7. Opis patentowy Nr 174119 „Segmentowy pancerz reatywny”, WUP 06/98

8. Koning P. J, Mostret F. J, „The Designand performance of non-initiating shaped charges whit granular jest against ERA”, 20^th international symposium on ballistic Orlando 2002.

9. Podgórzak P., Wiśniewski A., „RESEARCH RESULTS ON PRECURSOR OF THE TANDEM SHAPED CHARGE PROJECTILE MODEL”, WITU 2005.

10. Dynamit Noble Defense, „Urban Warfare 2.0 How asymmetric threats dominate conflicts”, 2010.

11. Szudrowicz M. „ANALYSIS OF BAR AND NET SCREENS STRUCTURE PROTECTING VEHICLES AGAINST ANTI-TANK GRENADES FIRED FROM RPG-7”,  Journal of KONES Powertrain and Transport, Vol. 18, No. 1 2011

12. Magier M., WSTĘPNA ANALIZA ZJAWISKA RYKOSZETOWANIA WYDŁUŻONYCH PENETRATORÓW POCISKÓW KINETYCZNYCH, WITU 2010

 

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And to be honest - In Poland in late 1990 was tested PT-91 vs M829 120mm
Distance was 1200m, there was shot 5x M829 to turret and hull. In fact it was T-72M1 whit ERAWA-2 on hull and turret front, and... additonal HHS palte on hull  (so two HHS paltes - factory ones and this "aditional") There was no single penetration :-) The same DM-33A1 was unable to overcome ERAWA-2 and T-72M1 hull.

Of course mucht modern APFSDS have not problem to overcome polish ERA. Now in Poland is tested Knife and Duplet ERA as "offset" for deploing polish thermal cameras for Ukrianian tanks (circa 80 pieces for T-72AW modernisated in Lviv tank plant). As I konw the results are not very far away from my article conclusion...

[Collimatrix]

The article on Nozh was extremely interesting and explains a lot.  Has the mechanism by which it works been publicly disclosed, or did you have to piece it together yourself?

[Mike E]

Outstanding articles (I have read the Russian ones before but it is nice to read the English ones) though it is worth mentioning a few things about Nozh/Duplet.

Simulations (posted earlier in this thread I believe) show that Nozh's operating...forces will not be of significant use against APFSDS. The outer casing of the ERA brick effectively gets molded and pushed out against an incoming projectile via the HEAT jets, and this acts as what is basically a scaled down version of typical ERA -- plates shifting against rods or jets. In addition, the jets themselves will smear against the rod more than cut, thus being extremely inefficient. It seems as if a lot of Nozh's protection characteristics come simply by the large quantities of explosives it contains, and only offers a 'slightly better than K-5' level of penetration-reduction.

[LoooSeR]

   I find ERAWA vs other ERA layouts comparisons to be strange.

 

1) Kontakt-1 is older type of ERA than ERAWA-1 by 7 years and 1 generation at least. If you want to actually compare it to anything, pick a contemporary models like T-80U or T-90 with Kontakt-5.

2) T-72 K-5 layout on turret front should not be in ERA comparisons articles, because modules are simply badly designed i.e. it is not a product of Kontakt-5 limitations. T-90A have better frontal ERA, although still with "hole" near gun.

 

   Also, effectiveness of all ERA models that i know are affected by where they hit, not only Nozh or Duplet.

[Militarysta]

The article on Nozh was extremely interesting and explains a lot.  Has the mechanism by which it works been publicly disclosed, or did you have to piece it together yourself?

 

It's "partial disclosed" -the most importing factor is "secondary effect" from thick metal frontplate of Nozh and Duplet cassete. It's far more important then only linear SC working - and this part was describe  for my by two person - one form Ukraina and one from Russia. 

[Militarysta]

Simulations (posted earlier in this thread I believe) show that Nozh's operating...forces will not be of significant use against APFSDS. The outer casing of the ERA brick effectively gets molded and pushed out against an incoming projectile via the HEAT jets, and this acts as what is basically a scaled down version of typical ERA -- plates shifting against rods or jets. In addition, the jets themselves will smear against the rod more than cut, thus being extremely inefficient. It seems as if a lot of Nozh's protection characteristics come simply by the large quantities of explosives it contains, and only offers a 'slightly better than K-5' level of penetration-reduction.

 

I know this article very well. It's more or less the same propaganda war since 2010 between UWZ and CHzTM and Microteh and NII Stali. Whit all respect to NII Stali - this article  totally ignores main Nozh working principles. Of course  in some area this article have right, but for all castette working mehanism single linear SC faliture is no problem -couse a forced fragmentation of the external metal plate of the ERA cassette. The effectiveness of Nozh depends highly on fragments from the “chopped” external metal plate. The linear shaped charges also reduce the,penetration of an incoming penetrator but the effect is smaller than the one,caused by fragments of the cassette. And this part is almoust ignore in NII Stali article -and all is based on "single linear SC faliture" theory. Yes, this faliture is true, but it's not relevant in whole casette working mehanism. 

BTW: Nozh and Duplet was tetsed vs OLF F1 on Ukriane and again OLF F1 and DM43 in Emirates. In both cases penetrator lost more then 90% of it's penetration capabilities...

 

 

[LoooSeR]

First page of this thread have pictures of simulation and description of Nozh ERA, that basically speak about how Nozh HEAT jets cuts external plate of ERA module and propell it against incoming projectile, Militarysta.

Article also questions effectivness of this method over Kontakt-5 mechanism, because both Nozh and Kontakt-5 use metal plates, pushed by explosives, to affect incoming threat/penetrator and Nozh achive such mechanism (metal plates pushed against penetrator) with more steps between explosion/detonation and metal plate moving.

[Militarysta]

Unfortunately very offen there is replicated myth about soviet Kontakt 1 ERA (4s20) as captured BLAZER copy.

It's completly false statment - developed 4s20 was independent soviet work and had started even erlyer then Blazer..

 

All is visible on cut-viev of the Blazer and Kontakt 1 ERA:

 

 

First of all - erly Blazer mostly have ONE reactive element inside ERA casette, Kontakt - always TWO elements.

Second - there is diffrent build of reactive elements in Blazer and 4s20 -what is visible.

[LoooSeR]

The main internet Kharkovite posted this interesting article about spatially different configurated ERA

 

ERA block with tubes inside of it, tubes are covered with explosives.

Tubes cut, shows explosives on the outside and metal inside:

 

   Idea is that instead of using plates pushed by explsoives, use tubes covered by explsoives to create similar effect, main reason to try this layout - ERA will be less sensitive to angle of impact. Tests showed that this layout managed to noticeable decrease problem of current ERA working well only in rather narrow arc.

[LoooSeR]

Relikt modules close-up photos on T-90MS

 

 

[LoooSeR]

Nozh ERA have detonation cord under liner HEAT charges.

[LoooSeR]

Dyna ERA from 1998, Czech Republic, was made for T-72M4CZ

 

 

 

I already mentioned some info about ERA with tubes of explosives in previous posts.

[Konev]

Hi,I've a question on the Relikt ERA.

How does it against tandem-charge HEAT round?

Won't it trigger by the forward charge?

[Collimatrix]

Contrary to most accounts, I'm not sure that the point of the precursor charge in a tandem charge warhead is to trigger the ERA.

 

ERA turns out to be pretty insensitive stuff, which is by design.  It would be bad if the ERA detonated when it was being installed or handled, or even if the tank were hit by small-arms fire or something weak like that.

 

So a lot of tandem-charge rounds appear to be designed with a relatively small precursor charge; small enough that it won't (usually) set off ERA.  This makes a hole in the ERA through which the main charge can pass.