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1 hour ago, Scolopax said:

It would seem that all surviving Hungarian AFVs from WW2 are located in Kubinka. That includes the Turán, Toldi, Zrínyi, and Nimrod.

 

Thanks. I need to fly to Moscow to see them then. Hungary would be a bit closer :D I am particularly interested in Turán and Zrínyi and I guess you know why. 

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16 hours ago, Beer said:

 

By the way an off topic and unrelated question... Do you have any Turán preserved in Hungary? 

Sadly no. Indeed, almost all surviving AFVs are preserved in Kubinka (or actually, Park Patriot, all of them nicely repainted). Except one. There is a Nimród somewhere stored in Budapest(?), but no idea where. It was exhibited in Zrínyi Miklós National Defence University, but then moved to Petőfi Army Base for restoring it to fully operational condition. After the restoration, it was moved to unknown location.

 

Some pictures of the restoration:

http://www.muemlekem.hu/magazin/nimrod_restauralas_hadtorteneti_intezet_es_muzeum

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   This one is new. Possible improved version of BPDM Typhoon anti-sabotage vehicle used for ICBM TEL protection. Stolen from otvaga.

   It appears to be Mobile reconnaissance point PRP-5.

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   Older version. You can see they both have same box over rear part of the roof.

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   And few photos by Yuri Pasholok

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   Typhoon-K 4x4

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   BTR-82AT without add-on protection

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   BMP-2 with Berezhok

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21 hours ago, Scolopax said:

It would seem that all surviving Hungarian AFVs from WW2 are located in Kubinka. That includes the Turán, Toldi, Zrínyi, and Nimrod.

 

Thanks, that means I have to fly to Moscow to see them. Hungary would be a lot closer :D I am particularly interested in Turán and Zrínyi. I guess you know why. 

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   Today managed to catch military vehicles arriving for a Victory Parade in St.Petersburg. Positioned myself at Troitskiy bridge exit, near Marsovo field, where majority of trucks and AFVs were doing 90 degree turn towards Marsovo field and then to 2 other streets. Artillery vehicles i will post in different thread.

 

   Troitskiy bridge

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   Vehicles started to arrive just few moments after i decided to find a show and buy something to drink.

 

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   Next group of vehicles went in different direction. Mainly wheeled AFVs and armored cars - Tigrs, BTRs, etc.

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   Most important vehicle of our army - UAZ compact NAPC (non-armored personal carrier)

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   So after convoys parted i went to Millionaya street nearby, where heavy AFVs were unloaded and prepared.

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   Winter Palace (Hermitage museum) is visible here, on the right center.

 

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   Crews of trucks started to put those strings around cabins for some reason.

 

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   People were walking to this T-34-85 and making photos.

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18 hours ago, LoooSeR said:
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   Crews of trucks started to put those strings around cabins for some reason.

 


Maybe it is a way to see if someone tinkered with the vehicle while it is unattended. You cant open the door or hood without having to manipulate the string. That is pure speculation though.

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8 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   None of those.

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No, the ISU-152 is fourth on the picture but not the third one. IMHO it looks like ISU-122 (see the much smaller driver's visor cover and thinner and longer barrel for example). 

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1 hour ago, Beer said:

 

No, the ISU-152 is fourth on the picture but not the third one. IMHO it looks like ISU-122 (see the much smaller driver's visor cover and thinner and longer barrel for example). 

   Driver's vision block armor plate is the same on 152 and 122. Although you are right, after watching parade video you can see that both ISU-122 and ISU-152 were there.

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