General AFV Thread

[Belesarius]

What turret is this?

Prototype of the Rheinmetall Lance Turret from the looks of it. The early versions don't seem to have the shroud around the barrel.

 

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/themen_im_fokus/turmsystem_lance/index.php

[Scolopax]

Russia seems to have tested out the Centauro back in 2012.

[LoooSeR]

Russia seems to have tested out the Centauro back in 2012.

There was plenty of noise around this in our military. AFAIK it didn't work well.

 

 

[Priory_of_Sion]

Here's a study in the Journal of Evolutionary Economics which looks at the progression in early tank design. Good look at how tank designers looked at the trade offs between increased mobility vs firepower & armor.

 

There's a couple issues with it, notably the overvaluing of the late war German tanks which would skew their results. However the authors do admit that they left out a good deal of variables that are important to tank combat. 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Here's a study in the Journal of Evolutionary Economics which looks at the progression in early tank design. Good look at how tank designers looked at the trade offs between increased mobility vs firepower & armor.

 

There's a couple issues with it, notably the overvaluing of the late war German tanks which would skew their results. However the authors do admit that they left out a good deal of variables that are important to tank combat. 

 

I didn't understand a damn thing in that article. Although, I did notice that the authors seemed to think the Matilda had a 76mm gun and the BT series tanks had a 47 mm gun.  

[Priory_of_Sion]

I didn't understand a damn thing in that article. Although, I did notice that the authors seemed to think the Matilda had a 76mm gun and the BT series tanks had a 47 mm gun.

I forgot to mention that about the Matilda, I didn't notice the BT error(although the BT tanks did seem to be strange outliers in the analysis the authors conducted).

Overall I'd sum the paper up as "early tank development focused on mobility and then shifted towards firepower and armor as time went along." Although it did ignore a lot of variables and seems to have factual errors, what a sad state peer review is actually in.

[Toxn]

I forgot to mention that about the Matilda, I didn't notice the BT error(although the BT tanks did seem to be strange outliers in the analysis the authors conducted).

Overall I'd sum the paper up as "early tank development focused on mobility and then shifted towards firepower and armor as time went along." Although it did ignore a lot of variables and seems to have factual errors, what a sad state peer review is actually in.

I got a similar impression. Specifically, the history was awful and the analysis was missing the all-important metrics of strategic mobility and mass producibility.

 

It does show a general trend in tank development, but one that needed no special analysis to see. 

 

What I'd really like to see for this sort of thing is a cladographic analysis of tank development in order to find underlying trends and branch points which represented significant shifts in the development of tank 'families'.

[Walter_Sobchak]

Also, what the hell does this sentence mean?  

 

In order to develop ‘good’ designs, engineers had to search for ‘satisfying’ solutions. 

[Toxn]

Also, what the hell does this sentence mean?

In order to develop ‘good’ designs, engineers had to search for ‘satisfying’ solutions.

Longer, harder cannons of course.

[Priory_of_Sion]

Longer, harder cannons of course.

Deeper penetration capabilities

[Toxn]

Deeper penetration capabilities

Thicker armour allows your tank to last longer on the heat of an engagement. Some tanks can go for an entire evening of unrelenting pounding.

[LoooSeR]

Militarista should repost here his otvaga view on Nexter new ammunition. Or i will do that  

[Collimatrix]

 

AMX-30 with the experimental 142mm ACRA gun/launcher.  This was something like the 152mm gun/launcher on the M551 Sheridan and M60A2.

 

I've read in some places that the ACRA was a better weapon than the US 152mm weapon.  Insomuch as the French never mass-produced the stupid thing, I believe this.

 

By the way, I think the place where the AMX-30 w/ ACRA prototype is sitting looks suspiciously similar to the lot that the last remaining batchat prototype is rotting in.

[Walter_Sobchak]

 

AMX-30 with the experimental 142mm ACRA gun/launcher.  This was something like the 152mm gun/launcher on the M551 Sheridan and M60A2.

 

I've read in some places that the ACRA was a better weapon than the US 152mm weapon.  Insomuch as the French never mass-produced the stupid thing, I believe this.

 

By the way, I think the place where the AMX-30 w/ ACRA prototype is sitting looks suspiciously similar to the lot that the last remaining batchat prototype is rotting in.

Pretty sure that is at the Saumur tank museum in France.

[Collimatrix]

Quick googling turns up references to ACRA being there.  You're probably right.

[LoooSeR]

Streit Group Alligator 6x6

[LoooSeR]

http://www.valhalla-turrets.com/weapon-stations-2-1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those are interesting 3D models of turrets with 40-60 mm cannons. 

[LoooSeR]

[LoooSeR]

Hungarian crew check damage of their 40/43.M Zriniyi II, sept 1944.

 

[LoooSeR]

Ariete with armor kit for sides protection.

[LoooSeR]

 

Djibouti's parade on 28 June included a Cougar with an AML/Ratel-90 turret

 

[LoooSeR]

 

VAB Mk3

[Militarysta]

Militarista should repost here his otvaga view on Nexter new ammunition. Or i will do that  

I will repost

[LoooSeR]

 

 

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]