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https://warontherocks.com/2017/11/somethings-wrong-surface-fleet-arent-talking/

 

Interesting article talking about different systemic issues with the USN than what the reports about the McCain/FitzGerald incidents are talking about.

 

I think this quote is particularly interesting:

 

"Most training is completely outside the purview of the ship captain, his boss, or Adm. Rowden. The Navy’s vast array of schoolhouses plan out five years in advance. And they plan for available seats based on arcane math and incantations. They do not plan out based on Fleet need. If there are 300 ships who need four sailors trained to Navy Enlisted Classification Code 24601 for four-year sea tours, then annual throughput needs to be at least 300. If the Navy only has 250 seats because of physical plant capacity or budget, then the fleet is left with a shortfall and the school commanders are not held accountable for the discrepancy.

One historical solution is to reduce the requirement. In the Navy Enlisted Classification 24601 example, reducing the ship requirement from four to three solves the school throughput problem. Everything looks great on paper, but the ship ends up |manned to 75 percent of what it was intended to have in that particular code. Multiply that by 20, 30, or even 100 and you end up with ship’s playing five card draw with three cards."

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20 hours ago, Belesarius said:

Oh shit. Argentina has lost contact with one of its submarines.

 

http://www.janes.com/article/75782/argentina-loses-contact-with-one-of-its-submarines

 

Still no sign, which is concerning - if it were on the surface it ought to be easier to find. Not being on the surface isn't terrible news, the ocean off the coast of argentina looks to be about 100m deep for quite some distance from the land so it's not impossible that they're sat on the sea floor awaiting rescue

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On 11/17/2017 at 5:17 PM, Belesarius said:

Oh shit. Argentina has lost contact with one of its submarines.

 

http://www.janes.com/article/75782/argentina-loses-contact-with-one-of-its-submarines

 

HMS protector, an icebreaking hydrographic survey vessel, has joined the search:

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2017/november/18/171118-protector-joins-submarine-search-2

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Bad news for the argentinian sub:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-42100620

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San Juan submarine: 'Explosion' dashes crew survival hopes

Hopes that the 44 crew of a missing Argentine submarine might still be alive have been dashed after the navy said an event consistent with an explosion had been detected.

The "abnormal, singular, short, violent, non-nuclear event" was recorded in the south Atlantic by a nuclear test watchdog last week.

 

CTBTO press release here

 

According to the NOAA, that region is about 800m deep - it sounds like the sub lost depth control, and the sea floor was too deep for them to settle on it in one piece

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Britain can into supercarrier:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-42256046

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The Queen has officially welcomed the UK's new aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, at a ceremony to commission it into the Royal Navy fleet.

The monarch boarded her namesake ship in Portsmouth to see the Royal Navy White Ensign raised on the vessel for the first time.

 

The biggest&baddest helicopter carrier around, until 2020

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39 minutes ago, Xlucine said:

Britain can into supercarrier:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-42256046

 

The biggest&baddest helicopter carrier around, until 2020

 

Well STOBAR will never have the same capability than CATOBAR, so even when the F-35B will be a thing (it will be at some point) the HMS Queen Elizabeth will merely remain a "Porte Aéronefs" and not a full fledged "Porte Avions"

I can understand the reasoning that even with a reduced range or payload the aircraft launched from a STOBAR can still defend the aero-naval group and that the F-35 have a greater effective range than what the specs suggest, since it can fly straight to the objective without risking being detected.

But not being able to launch an AWACS is a big blow to the credibility of an aero-naval task force, since it will be much more vulnerable.

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7 minutes ago, Xlucine said:

 Isn't an heli based system much less capable than a plane based system?

I am thinking about the max detection range, and the max altitude (which correlate to area coverage AFAIK).


Still much better than nothing though.

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https://news.usni.org/2017/12/21/electric-boat-awards-newport-news-shipbuilding-468m-to-begin-columbia-class-integrated-product-and-process-development

 

Ohio follow on class contract issued. "General Dynamics Electric Boat awarded Huntington Ingalls Industries’ Newport News Shipbuilding a contract worth up to $468 million to begin work on integrated product and process development for the upcoming Columbia-class ballistic-missile submarine, according to an HII news release this week."

 

 

 

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   On December 22, 2017, the first VTV1 channel of Vietnamese state television showed a report about the first launch of the Club-S anti-ship missile 3M54E (an export version of the Caliber-PL complex) with one of the new large diesel-electric submarines of Project 06361 of the Vietnamese Navy.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3019678.html

 

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