Molota_477
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What is this chassis?
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Well,I see.Thank you for your drawing and explanation.
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Well,what a complicated process.
Without using PC,I drew a brief pic about that,I'm not sure whether it closes to the true or not.
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Thanks!
The only problem is how did the auto loader in the turret nacelle select the type of ammunition ? Is it because the sector belt loop structure?
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In my view,the autoloader of 477A/A1/2 which was consisted by three carousels is incomprehensible .
The crews in tank should be very unsafe....
So,I think the original 477's AZ was better than the later one,at least the most of ammunitions were separated from crews..
By the way,I am very curious about the loading system's structure of 477,especially the part in the turret basket.
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1) LKZ stuck whit "heavy universal chassis"in those years. It was needed to use GTD1250 turbine for lightweight resons. And looking for postong on Chlopotows blog armour idea- it was not so impresive:
Only 228mm in main part and circa 780mm LOS in slopped upper-part. Of course - gas turbine and torsion will be aditional protection placed befor this, the same - slopped ERA blocks, but still - how can this be comparable whit 1300mm armour block in Molot/Nota or 1100mm thick in Boxer-Molot?
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477 was not enought becouse UWZ lobby in end of the 80's forced two smal changed:
-other 152mm gun (longer)
- posibility to use unitary 152mm ronuds (fucken imposible).
all was forced to delay Charkiv project. And it's important to notic that after Utinov ded and Roamnov fail LKZ was downgraded - the same stroy like after Breżniev ded and CHzTM downgraded. UWZ due to political conetion have a flow in and of the 1980's, but the most interesting projects where developed in ChzTM and LKZ.
BTW - You propably know that Ob.477A2 Nota was common Ukrainian and Russian project between 1993 and 2001. One form 3 final Nota prototypes and full documentation went to UWZ. And Ob.195 as again UWZ try to made their own IV gen tank - first prototype in 1999 second one in 2001 as I know. And Nota as common project was canceled in 2001...After that was started "Biala" (The "White") project - pure Ukrainian tank, and it was facked up doe to lack of money.
What is the Biala project?
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To clarify, this is a T-72 testing an Obj. 477 turret, yes?
It should be the 2A83 Gun TestBed,which would be mount on obj195. As we can see the two sides of this turret were covered by steel plates as clump weight. This construction only reflected in the obj 195's unmanturret.
Moreover,AFAIK there is not any exact information about the obj477A1 had equiped with 2A83 gun.
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My inferior drawing of 195 haha..
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Maybe in a sense the layout like 490a's was also a type of ''isolation''? I think.
At least its ammunitions were set in the right hand of crews.
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I doubt that 477 and 490A were far ahead of LKZ project. 477 wasn't good enough, thats why there is number of futher development models like Nota. LKZ had more interesting and advanced design. Object 299 had denser layout than previous models, because of separated crew and autoloader compartments. Plus, unlike Armata, Object 299 had real and seriously protected crew cpasule.
Kharkiv's tank design aways pursue compact layout.
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Unfortunately,none of the links would open for me...
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Well I was posted some infos here:
And well, Charkiv future tank projects where so interesting :-)
Great picture! Could you give me the pic's original link from vk?
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If you have anything interesting - you can post them here as well. I am trying to collect all information about those projects in this thread, and there is not much data avaliable on the Internet.
That's what I also do now,I am writing an article about Soviet secret tanks from 70s to 21th century,language in Chinese,but there are also the same problem that the informations are too rare.
Of course I will post something about that,but my PC was broken not long ago,and there are some troubles for me to post photos from mobile phone,so I 'm sorry that I can't do anything for it right now.
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Oh,my friend have the origin drawing and he also took some photos for me.
And it is an early version of 477 which roof of turret is flat while later drawings have a slope.
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Molot/Boxer.
Loooser, where is the photo from? it looks so familiar.
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Thank you Colli.More information on the British 110mm series of weapons:
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34275
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12714&page=36
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I would like to know sth about the APS of ARMATA.
AFAIK the horizontal launchers caliber is almost 160mm ,the killing range should be so large and the lethality should be so effective that it could destroy a coming APFSDS.
The only question is how the vertical launchers work?
Will they shot down the TSA as small missiles?
Or they might be multi_purpose launchers containing other ammunitions like grenades.
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Yeah, thats ture
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After my compares，this may just be an idea from a small company,never built and have little attraction ,
and we see the rounds holding into the loader （it should be APFSDS，as we can see the saddle shaped sabot is there），it is highly possible a 120mm ammunition，but i can't figure out the date when this idea cames out，not sure is it reference the same idea from T-72 .
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I have created an account of there but have no permission to see the attachmentsBy the way, after searching, it would appear that the exact model of gun, judging by the projectiles and propellant charges depicted in the photo, are that of the EXP-14 series, apparently there was alot more then just 1 simple 110mm design but a rather long series of 110mm and eventually 120mm gun systems that ultimately lead to the L30 according to Colli.
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/39366-Experimental-110-apds-tank-round
I had to sign up here to see them, but this man has some inert EXP-14 charges and projectiles that look identical.
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According to the notes, this automatic loading system is developed by Air-Log limited company(I have no idea about it).And the shells maybe 110mm, I guess. The gun breech looks like the one in MBT80 ATR1.
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Oh, I see.