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  1. Militarysta
    The same document as quoted by Laviduce here: There are detaild Leopard 2 armour test description - visited by British delegation in 1987. And there is test description vs DM23 and HOT. More or less whole document is about Cheftian replacment. The most interesting part about CR1 armour was removed (but armour values in mm RHA are given there) , but there are pure gold about Leo 2, including: 1) erly Leo 2 protection 2) late Leo 2 protection 3) sugestion (confirmed by myself on our factory Leos book) that armour upgrade was done during german factor F6 rebuild 4) information that Germans swicht from NERA to ceramis in late 1980's armour etc Of course I cant put it here for multiple resons. But it's the same archive discover as Paweł Przeździecki "orgins of the burlington" . ps. And my freind found sevrall patents about german armour, special armour whit anty radiation cover and...frencht patetn whit sucht armour. Of course there are very partial data but interesting a lot - mostly by data range :-) Frencht patent: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/65/52/aa/faeb40bb130747/FR2646231A1.pdf And german: Patent no: DE 2927381 A1 2927382 https://pastebin.com/LYi4KYfB?fbclid=IwAR3YdI3YlnzGakBHuoALvVgrckxBngRjpY54asqyOCYh4ic_r5IfUbYdI2g https://pastebin.com/xEEpHnGm?fbclid=IwAR1grt-pCTaHOCCxu5KNFnELi3I5a_eIHIQcFyOrwz_PgcPC4D5N_2O4Nmk Look at dates. For me looks like 2AV armour was downgraded or replaced by other solution in L2A0 - but knowing "hard data" from this british report from 1987 and numering RHA layers in 2AV armour scheme we know that protection vs KE was downgraded in circa 25% (maybe 30)! And propably CE protection was keeped. Propably @Wiedzmin have right and for cost production or weight resons Germans choose NERA layout in 2A0 too but mucht lighter and simpler. And I have confirmed in sevral sources that in end 1980's Germans swicht from NERA to ceramis whit famous Nera wedges only in KWS. What is funny - in end of 1980's Germans - cermaics in Leo 2 Soviet - ceramisc in T-80U late and UD US - propably in HA and HC (+ NERA in outher layers) even Polish start to developed CAWA-2 armour 1970's NERA ----> 1985/1990 Ceramisc ----> ??
  2. Militarysta
    Well now looks that Germans downgrade KE protection between 1976-1978 to keep weight level whit the same SC protection. It's interesting couse there are doc. showne that erly Leopard 2 had 350mm vs monoblock WHA KE and 700mm vs SC but considering those plans (5.III.1976) we have on projectile path no less then 428mm RHA and no less then 4 NERA bulging plates. Looks like 2A0 was seriously downgraded in this part (KE) to save weight.
  3. Militarysta
    Intresting - so weight 2A4 mask is...smaller
  4. Militarysta
    Eee in Poland we are asbestosproof :D ofc until lung cancer
  5. Militarysta
    . This tank was restored more then decade(!) and it was taken from Truk lagoon. And it's wonderfull restoration -even tehnical description in japaneese are present in tank. The engine is like orginal but based on post IIWW ones whit orginal Bosh eqipment. To be onest -it's the best restoration I'v ever seen. It's greata. Milions of $$ and a lot of time to achive sucht result. Amazing! This tank will be in Bovington Tank Museum not in Poland. Tank belong to MV collector from UK More about this: https://forum.odkrywca.pl/topic/765516-hago-typ-95-tank-restoration-project-robert-lewszyk/ https://www.facebook.com/pg/Hago-typ-95-Tank-Restoration-Project-1671671063107837/about/?ref=page_internal
  6. Militarysta
    Propably not. Pure AT... Seriously - no sense just polish MoD...
  7. Militarysta
    Becouse Borsuk will be not redy. MON want's to choose "otokar-brzezina" tracked rocket tank destroyer in Q1 FYI2020 and Borsuk will be redy to production in 2022-2023. So the most resonable solution: IFV Borsuk chassis + Spike LR will not by choosen. More or less all is about lobbying for Hellfire. IMHO whole program wil be canceled after parlamentary election couse money resons.
  8. Militarysta
    Yes, it's beyond normal level of stupidy... Polish army start program "Otokar-Brzezina" (named as famous general) for rocket tracked tank destroyer. And pretend will be: 1) Hellfire luncher (DAGR or this from Stryker MSL) on K9 chassis (so polish Krab SPG chassis) 2) BMP-1 (lol) chassis whit Brigstone lunher 3) something whit Spike LR luncher. ...
  9. Militarysta
    Remeber the "Afgan" Rosomak-1M? It has composite armour from MIKANIT factory - able to stop 14,5mm and...PG-7. Now more details: resistant to PG-7 and 14,5mm whit mass 200 kg/m2 rest in pdf avaible to find in net: "Stalowo-kompozytowe panele do ochrony przed przebiciem pociskami kumulacyjnymi z zastosowaniem blach z nanokrystalicznej stali bainityczno-austenitycznej"
  10. Militarysta
    Tell me more: "Obra" in version 1 or 2 or 3 is mounted on all polish PT-91, Rosomak, and RAK 120mm since...1994. https://pcosa.com.pl/pl/uniwersalny-system-samooslony-pojazdu-ssp-1-obra-3-2/ BTW - if someone is intrested about this small electrooptic block on turet top (those whit 4 cameras eacht): https://docplayer.pl/63276133-Sod-system-obserwacji-dookolnej-xxv-miedzynarodowy-salon-przemyslu-obronnego.html page 13 SOD-1 ATENA, it give 360 view in TV and thermal sepctrum:
  11. Militarysta
    Very cool video from polish museum - historycial reconstruction ZAPAD'88 oh wait...it's our typical air defense :/ Anyway - worth to see - brilant military video! ps.can enyone tell me is this video visible here?
  12. Militarysta
    It was in transfer roubles so "diffrent" ones then internal SU rubles. Transfer roubles had stick course in ratio to USD an gold... So yes it was crazy expensive... @Tarasenko http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1752&p=26 " не может такого быть, дорого. " But it was - the best price for best WarPac union Those system feld down for sevral resons - mostly economic - and it was typical "price" for "alliace" in WarPac - more expensive then for Soviet Army. The same was about license for T-72s in end of the 80s. Overpriced triple - so Polish People Army had started to developed "Wolf" program so nex PT-91 "Twardy". It was polish respons for overpraced proposal to build T-72s in Poland. To expensive for non existing FCS xD So thanks to Saddam money based on stolen Cheftian Mk.5 FCS polish Industry had developed two it's own FCS - for T-55AM Merida and for PT-91. Of coure all was from Saddam money between 1987-1991.
  13. Militarysta
    pfff i saw a 15 min power-pack replacement in Leo 2A4 :D From stop movement to start movment whit new pp. 15 minutes :D
  14. Militarysta
    It's even more complicated. Upgrade of polish 2A4 and 2A5 is forced by lack of spare parts in Leoben stocks. That's the true reson of forced 2PL program and now "quiet" mod our 2A5. In case PT-91/T-72M1 is simmilar problem. Look: it's detailed description which main components of the T-72M1 where produced during WarPac times: Turret: Hull: PRL = Poland CSRS = Chechoslovakia (now Chech Republic and Slovakia) NRD = DDR ZSRR = CCCP (Soviet Union) WRL = Hungarian Poples Respublic "zespoły produkcji niezależnej" - "free production parts (open on market?)"
  15. Militarysta
    C'mon Peter, it's well known that part of our MoD and IU (weapons offcie) love US so mucht that ALL major deals are made without public tender and whithout real offset - just junky scraps for PR. Patriot, S70i, HIMAARS atc - all without any sense in LCC aspect and as part of bigger system. The only idea in HQ of the MoD is to make blow job for one big company from USA just for another meet Trumph wit our president :/ All deals are pure PR before next parlament election (this autumn) and president elections. Noone cares about "system" mobilisation proces etc. Thats the point, and very sad couse shown poblic how in military aspect we are third world country. So yes, those idiots almout forced Javelin in Polish Army (thanks God stopped after trials in Poland), now they are forced Hellfire on K9 chassis as "tank destroyer" (WTF!), and yes - since 2016 there is serious fight to not buy M1A1SA couse nobody from armoured forces wants third type od MBTs... And yes, again - polish MBTs is fairy tails. Firstly - end Borsuk IFV then think about something mucht complicated and expensive
  16. Militarysta
    Two countries, it's from Leoben info so I don't want to precise it public. Sorry, not yet. More or les two 2A6 users "discover" that in LCC is better idea to buy new 2A7V+ then upgrade old Leos. IMHO it's possbible that 2A7V+ have some major armour changes and it's not possible to upgrade old hull and turret structure to this level - I have no evidence, it's just my thought.
  17. Militarysta
    1) Well acually it's twice more expensive :/ Yes, it have no sense. More or less it's hidden pay of for polish industry to hold them mobilisation line on duty. And for multiple resons polish old 120mm trening amo is shit. And it's danger for crews and it's ussaly brokent the L-44 and it fume exaxctor. Long and sad stroy how militray industry and political conection are mor important then soliders life. In 2015 there wher acident whit this amo when tank loader was KIA due this shitty ammo. 2)In Armoured Cavalery Bde we have 116 tanks in mechanizated brigade - 58 tanks More or less polish armed forces have: 148 Leopard 2A4 upgraded to 2PL 105 Leopard 2A5 upgraded now to 2A5 "nameless designation" 232 PT-91 Twardy upgraded now whit new thermal cameras 318 T-72M1 will be upgreade since this summer whit new radio, thermal camera, and other minor changes all: 803 tanks while Leo 2A5 and PT-91 are mostly after factory rebuild, 2PL is slowly doing (end in 2022-23) and all T-72M1 will have small modernisation up to 2024. Polish army now is considering buy 150 M1A1SA or Leopard 2A6 couse two europeean countries will sell 2A6 and buy new 2A7V from Germany and polish MoD is considering buy this second-hand 2A6. More or less PA want to buy tanks for one armoured cav bde (116 + reserve + trening) so circa 150 tanks as "short term solution" waiting for 2020-2030 and present on market new generation tanks. Of course feirytails about polish next generation tank is bullshit.
  18. Militarysta
    Yes it was our shitty Pz.541 trening munition :/ In trening munition polish facgory use low-cost propelant charge from 125mm :/ In combat APFSDS-T we used Rheinmettal propelent and Plansee rods. Well catrige is from Germany too...
  19. Militarysta
    Cool video of next bath polish SPHs Krab on factory trials before oficial take by army: Very very good howitzer even if it's deeply upgreaded AS90 turret whit K9 Thunder chassis. Turret is 100% made in Poland, chasiss is polonisated in more then 70% now.
  20. Militarysta
    Polish Armoured Forces: now: in 2026: DZ- Mechanizated Division DKPanc - armoured cavalery division BZ - mechanizated brigad BOW - brigade of costal defense pa - artilery regiment pplot - airdefense regiment plog - logistic BKPanc - armoured cavalery brigade BSP - montain infanty brigade (whit BWP-1 and T-72M1 and Rosomak) EDIT- on soecond draw - brigades "BZ" whit numbers: 12 and 17 and15 and 21 are wheeld on APC Rosomak
  21. Militarysta
    No, it will not be able. No way. It's typical begging for money from polish industry "oh gve give us money, we wil develped super--nex-gen-tank,plane, halicopter, ship" etc. Polish PGZ and Bumar especialy will not developed anything like IV gen tanks.
  22. Militarysta
    Polish 122mm MLRS "Langusta II" - low cost but deep RM-70 modyfication:
  23. Militarysta
    Yes. The reson is simple - accuracy. Heavy gun mantled mask will couse some balnace problem - of course wy can weight good gun whit some countr-balance but whole solution weight a lot - like in Rh120. And this forced more powerfull stabilisation mehanism or a little bit slower in case micro -movment. In Leclerc ultra light gun mantled mask provide better gun ballance and ability to have very fast but very small in amplitude gun movments -so accuracy aspecially in move is better. Second problem is gun vibration after shooting. Heavy gun mantled mask made some problem whit this - like in case L55 on Leo -wich is less accuracy then old L44... all is coused by vibration on ultra-long barrel after shooting. Agian - heavy gun mantled mask make some problem whit vibration reduction, light gun mantled mask + shorter gun in Leclerc = no sucht problem. And third part of answer - Leclerc was highly redy for 140mm gun.
  24. Militarysta
    So we can assume that 120mm DM13 had better performances and more then 330mm RHA at 60. So maybe 350mm was true.
  25. Militarysta
    Well, we havn't so mucht options: Looking on right top APFSDS-T series (from LEFT to right): 3BM32 and 3BM32 cut-view 3BM42 and 3BM42 erly prototype cut-view 3BM29??? 3BM26 cut view 3BM22? 3BM9? 3BM15 whit no cut-viev This two round difrences are interesting:
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