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  1. Tank You
  2. Tank You
    U-47 reacted to LoooSeR in Aerospace Pictures and Art Thread   
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    U-47 reacted to Zyklon in Aerospace Pictures and Art Thread   
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  4. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Zyklon in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    1, There isn't too much info about Type 80 welded turret, the only thing we know about is it is a steel turret (without any kind of special armor) for test use only. So it is safe to say they made more than one  prototype turrets.
    2, These tanks are in Inner Mongolia First Machinery Group Corporation (plant 617) 's museum, only who were invited may visit there.
    Here are more photos of WZ122-6:



    About WZ122-1, we call it "三液样车" (in English: 3-hydraulic prototype, meaning hydraulic control + hydraulic transmission + hydraulic suspension), here are its photos:


     
    otvaga questions:
    Storm-1 tank ( type85-I, and you all know type85-II which went to Pakistan service and PLA service) is not any kind of classified stuff in China, we know almost all of its common data, so, what they want to know ?
    The turret is its original turret, I checked from  several sources. The gun isn't, this displayed vehicle didn't have any gun in the early years, the current gun is installed by the museum. BTW, Storm-1's original gun is 105mm.
    I never heard of "type59 with  turbocharged engine and 1-piece cast turret", the only Chinese "1-piece cast turret" I know about is WZ122's turret. So could him upload some photos of it so I may know what tank he talk about?
  5. Tank You
    U-47 reacted to Bronezhilet in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Something something why is this information public?
    It's not exactly a firing table, but you could easily make fairly accurate firing tables for the M829A1 and M830A1 with this.












  6. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Khand-e in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    2 more new photos from plant's testing ground:

    this "T-72" is interesting, it looks like some kind of T-72's hull + Type80's roadwheels. Levi, do you have any idea what it might be if it is still a Russian made tank?

    By the way, Type85-III's 1000hp engine pack from Yugoslavia:

    WZ122-4's engine pack's running test in March 1979 before it been installed to the tank ( MTU8V331TC41 engine + Chinese hydraulic transmission ):


    WZ122-6 &WZ122-6F2 's Chinese automatic transmission:



    WZ122-6's 8V165 engine:


  7. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Met749 in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    2 more new photos from plant's testing ground:

    this "T-72" is interesting, it looks like some kind of T-72's hull + Type80's roadwheels. Levi, do you have any idea what it might be if it is still a Russian made tank?

    By the way, Type85-III's 1000hp engine pack from Yugoslavia:

    WZ122-4's engine pack's running test in March 1979 before it been installed to the tank ( MTU8V331TC41 engine + Chinese hydraulic transmission ):


    WZ122-6 &WZ122-6F2 's Chinese automatic transmission:



    WZ122-6's 8V165 engine:


  8. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Zyklon in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    2 more new photos from plant's testing ground:

    this "T-72" is interesting, it looks like some kind of T-72's hull + Type80's roadwheels. Levi, do you have any idea what it might be if it is still a Russian made tank?

    By the way, Type85-III's 1000hp engine pack from Yugoslavia:

    WZ122-4's engine pack's running test in March 1979 before it been installed to the tank ( MTU8V331TC41 engine + Chinese hydraulic transmission ):


    WZ122-6 &WZ122-6F2 's Chinese automatic transmission:



    WZ122-6's 8V165 engine:


  9. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from LoooSeR in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    2 more new photos from plant's testing ground:

    this "T-72" is interesting, it looks like some kind of T-72's hull + Type80's roadwheels. Levi, do you have any idea what it might be if it is still a Russian made tank?

    By the way, Type85-III's 1000hp engine pack from Yugoslavia:

    WZ122-4's engine pack's running test in March 1979 before it been installed to the tank ( MTU8V331TC41 engine + Chinese hydraulic transmission ):


    WZ122-6 &WZ122-6F2 's Chinese automatic transmission:



    WZ122-6's 8V165 engine:


  10. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Met749 in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    And for your other questions before:
    WZ1224 uses [ imported MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( yes, the civil engine, according to MTU it's a 748hp engine) + Chinese hydraulic transmission ( learned from M46 captured in Korean war and M48 captured in Vietnam war) ] power pack ( the first Chinese power pack),
    WZ1226 uses 8V165 engine ( 960hp, the Chinese tank engine version of MTU8V331 which failed as I said before) of Changchun plant, WZ1226F2 uses 12V150 engine ( some said it is 12150L, which means V-2-54's copy, maybe with some improvements. If 12150L is ture, then this is obviously a very reliable backup choice) of Datong plant, and they both use Chinese automatic transmission ( no detail info).
    After WZ1224 became BK1850 it uses [ British CV12 engine (1200hp) + western transmission ( either be British TN12 or French ENC200, nobody said which one exactly) ] power pack, in order to install this bigger pack, it cut out the rear hull and welded a new one.
    WZ1224:


    WZ1224's engine:

    WZ1224 installed 2 extra cooling fan later when we found its original cooling system is not strong enough, like this:


    Then installed western power pack and became BK1850:


    I think the difference of its rear part is clear visible:
    1, the shape of exhaust hole: in WZ1224 it is square, in BK1850 it is round.
    2, the shape ( size) of the engine part: in WZ1224 it is trapezoid and havn't cover the whole width above the track, in BK1850 it is square and covered the whole width above the track.
    (maybe you can find more difference)
    I'll post more photos of WZ1226 and 1226F2's engines later.
     
  11. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Khand-e in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    And for your other questions before:
    WZ1224 uses [ imported MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( yes, the civil engine, according to MTU it's a 748hp engine) + Chinese hydraulic transmission ( learned from M46 captured in Korean war and M48 captured in Vietnam war) ] power pack ( the first Chinese power pack),
    WZ1226 uses 8V165 engine ( 960hp, the Chinese tank engine version of MTU8V331 which failed as I said before) of Changchun plant, WZ1226F2 uses 12V150 engine ( some said it is 12150L, which means V-2-54's copy, maybe with some improvements. If 12150L is ture, then this is obviously a very reliable backup choice) of Datong plant, and they both use Chinese automatic transmission ( no detail info).
    After WZ1224 became BK1850 it uses [ British CV12 engine (1200hp) + western transmission ( either be British TN12 or French ENC200, nobody said which one exactly) ] power pack, in order to install this bigger pack, it cut out the rear hull and welded a new one.
    WZ1224:


    WZ1224's engine:

    WZ1224 installed 2 extra cooling fan later when we found its original cooling system is not strong enough, like this:


    Then installed western power pack and became BK1850:


    I think the difference of its rear part is clear visible:
    1, the shape of exhaust hole: in WZ1224 it is square, in BK1850 it is round.
    2, the shape ( size) of the engine part: in WZ1224 it is trapezoid and havn't cover the whole width above the track, in BK1850 it is square and covered the whole width above the track.
    (maybe you can find more difference)
    I'll post more photos of WZ1226 and 1226F2's engines later.
     
  12. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Zyklon in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    And for your other questions before:
    WZ1224 uses [ imported MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( yes, the civil engine, according to MTU it's a 748hp engine) + Chinese hydraulic transmission ( learned from M46 captured in Korean war and M48 captured in Vietnam war) ] power pack ( the first Chinese power pack),
    WZ1226 uses 8V165 engine ( 960hp, the Chinese tank engine version of MTU8V331 which failed as I said before) of Changchun plant, WZ1226F2 uses 12V150 engine ( some said it is 12150L, which means V-2-54's copy, maybe with some improvements. If 12150L is ture, then this is obviously a very reliable backup choice) of Datong plant, and they both use Chinese automatic transmission ( no detail info).
    After WZ1224 became BK1850 it uses [ British CV12 engine (1200hp) + western transmission ( either be British TN12 or French ENC200, nobody said which one exactly) ] power pack, in order to install this bigger pack, it cut out the rear hull and welded a new one.
    WZ1224:


    WZ1224's engine:

    WZ1224 installed 2 extra cooling fan later when we found its original cooling system is not strong enough, like this:


    Then installed western power pack and became BK1850:


    I think the difference of its rear part is clear visible:
    1, the shape of exhaust hole: in WZ1224 it is square, in BK1850 it is round.
    2, the shape ( size) of the engine part: in WZ1224 it is trapezoid and havn't cover the whole width above the track, in BK1850 it is square and covered the whole width above the track.
    (maybe you can find more difference)
    I'll post more photos of WZ1226 and 1226F2's engines later.
     
  13. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Bronezhilet in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    And for your other questions before:
    WZ1224 uses [ imported MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( yes, the civil engine, according to MTU it's a 748hp engine) + Chinese hydraulic transmission ( learned from M46 captured in Korean war and M48 captured in Vietnam war) ] power pack ( the first Chinese power pack),
    WZ1226 uses 8V165 engine ( 960hp, the Chinese tank engine version of MTU8V331 which failed as I said before) of Changchun plant, WZ1226F2 uses 12V150 engine ( some said it is 12150L, which means V-2-54's copy, maybe with some improvements. If 12150L is ture, then this is obviously a very reliable backup choice) of Datong plant, and they both use Chinese automatic transmission ( no detail info).
    After WZ1224 became BK1850 it uses [ British CV12 engine (1200hp) + western transmission ( either be British TN12 or French ENC200, nobody said which one exactly) ] power pack, in order to install this bigger pack, it cut out the rear hull and welded a new one.
    WZ1224:


    WZ1224's engine:

    WZ1224 installed 2 extra cooling fan later when we found its original cooling system is not strong enough, like this:


    Then installed western power pack and became BK1850:


    I think the difference of its rear part is clear visible:
    1, the shape of exhaust hole: in WZ1224 it is square, in BK1850 it is round.
    2, the shape ( size) of the engine part: in WZ1224 it is trapezoid and havn't cover the whole width above the track, in BK1850 it is square and covered the whole width above the track.
    (maybe you can find more difference)
    I'll post more photos of WZ1226 and 1226F2's engines later.
     
  14. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Collimatrix in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    And for your other questions before:
    WZ1224 uses [ imported MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( yes, the civil engine, according to MTU it's a 748hp engine) + Chinese hydraulic transmission ( learned from M46 captured in Korean war and M48 captured in Vietnam war) ] power pack ( the first Chinese power pack),
    WZ1226 uses 8V165 engine ( 960hp, the Chinese tank engine version of MTU8V331 which failed as I said before) of Changchun plant, WZ1226F2 uses 12V150 engine ( some said it is 12150L, which means V-2-54's copy, maybe with some improvements. If 12150L is ture, then this is obviously a very reliable backup choice) of Datong plant, and they both use Chinese automatic transmission ( no detail info).
    After WZ1224 became BK1850 it uses [ British CV12 engine (1200hp) + western transmission ( either be British TN12 or French ENC200, nobody said which one exactly) ] power pack, in order to install this bigger pack, it cut out the rear hull and welded a new one.
    WZ1224:


    WZ1224's engine:

    WZ1224 installed 2 extra cooling fan later when we found its original cooling system is not strong enough, like this:


    Then installed western power pack and became BK1850:


    I think the difference of its rear part is clear visible:
    1, the shape of exhaust hole: in WZ1224 it is square, in BK1850 it is round.
    2, the shape ( size) of the engine part: in WZ1224 it is trapezoid and havn't cover the whole width above the track, in BK1850 it is square and covered the whole width above the track.
    (maybe you can find more difference)
    I'll post more photos of WZ1226 and 1226F2's engines later.
     
  15. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Khand-e in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    It's a export only stuff based on AK176 ( simplify AK176 to lose some weight and voloum so it can be installed on a truck), as far as I know, PLA army has no interest in it at all, so of course no military designation.
    According to the intervies to its designer, this project started in 2012, it uses AHEAD and laser guided round, no any kind of AP round, that's all I know about it.
    BTW, PLA Navy is interest in a quadruple AK176 as a super CIWS, I mean this is not a joke, they are serious on it.
  16. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Khand-e in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    3,
    Type 80/88/96 uses 120V150ZLC engine, 730HP, I have showed its detail info before;
    Type 96A (the 2014 Russian tank game ) uses 12V150ZLD, 800hp, it's a improved 120V150ZLC;
    Type 96A1 (the 2015 Russian tank game ) uses a improved 12V150ZLD, still 800hp, no other info;
    Type 96B (the 2016 Russian tank game ) uses a complete new 8V150 engine based on 99A's 1500hp 12V150 engine (only know their name are "new 150HB series", and installed on new SPG/ZTD-05 ,etc, no other info), 1000hp.
    3a, I thought it before, but unlikely, because it uses a 1-piece cast turret, yet WZ123's deputy chief designer said first Chinese 1-piece cast turret is 1972's WZ122's turret, and "68 revolution" is built in 1968, so, a 1968 tank shouldn't have a 1-piece cast turret. Yet, the museum made a lot of "A's turret + B's hull" hybrid tank (like WZ1223 turret + Type80's hull, or WZ123's turret + Storm's hull which you mentioned before ), so maybe this type 59's hull it is "68 revolution", just has a turret from somewhere else.
  17. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Zyklon in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    3,
    Type 80/88/96 uses 120V150ZLC engine, 730HP, I have showed its detail info before;
    Type 96A (the 2014 Russian tank game ) uses 12V150ZLD, 800hp, it's a improved 120V150ZLC;
    Type 96A1 (the 2015 Russian tank game ) uses a improved 12V150ZLD, still 800hp, no other info;
    Type 96B (the 2016 Russian tank game ) uses a complete new 8V150 engine based on 99A's 1500hp 12V150 engine (only know their name are "new 150HB series", and installed on new SPG/ZTD-05 ,etc, no other info), 1000hp.
    3a, I thought it before, but unlikely, because it uses a 1-piece cast turret, yet WZ123's deputy chief designer said first Chinese 1-piece cast turret is 1972's WZ122's turret, and "68 revolution" is built in 1968, so, a 1968 tank shouldn't have a 1-piece cast turret. Yet, the museum made a lot of "A's turret + B's hull" hybrid tank (like WZ1223 turret + Type80's hull, or WZ123's turret + Storm's hull which you mentioned before ), so maybe this type 59's hull it is "68 revolution", just has a turret from somewhere else.
  18. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Collimatrix in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    3,
    Type 80/88/96 uses 120V150ZLC engine, 730HP, I have showed its detail info before;
    Type 96A (the 2014 Russian tank game ) uses 12V150ZLD, 800hp, it's a improved 120V150ZLC;
    Type 96A1 (the 2015 Russian tank game ) uses a improved 12V150ZLD, still 800hp, no other info;
    Type 96B (the 2016 Russian tank game ) uses a complete new 8V150 engine based on 99A's 1500hp 12V150 engine (only know their name are "new 150HB series", and installed on new SPG/ZTD-05 ,etc, no other info), 1000hp.
    3a, I thought it before, but unlikely, because it uses a 1-piece cast turret, yet WZ123's deputy chief designer said first Chinese 1-piece cast turret is 1972's WZ122's turret, and "68 revolution" is built in 1968, so, a 1968 tank shouldn't have a 1-piece cast turret. Yet, the museum made a lot of "A's turret + B's hull" hybrid tank (like WZ1223 turret + Type80's hull, or WZ123's turret + Storm's hull which you mentioned before ), so maybe this type 59's hull it is "68 revolution", just has a turret from somewhere else.
  19. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Levi in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    1, like I said before, though we did try to make a tank engine based on MTU in 1978, but it failed. So maybe Type99 tank's engine still has some German tech, but that's not the major part.
    2, in 1990s, a lot of Chinese  military fans worship German tech (even still today), so they hope our engine is also made by German tech, that's why the "99 engine is copyed from MTU" rumor keeps spreading.
    3, 120V150ZLC engine (type 80/88/96, 730hp, also called as "730" by our old tank enginers and designers) is basicly a turbocharged V-2-54, here are 2 early photos of it:
    prototype engine under test:

    test tank ( looks like a Type69, maybe "68 revolution", according to WZ123's deputy chief designer's memoir, "68 revolution" is the frist test bed for 730 engine, it's a tank designed by a worker, yes, worker, not tank enginer, basicly a ordinary type 59/69 with some improvements, no detail info or photo ) with prototype engine under test:

    4, Type99 (before 99A)'s engine is C12V150ZAL (1200hp, or 150HB), like I said before, it is basicly a new engine (with some tech from British CV12 much more than German MTU), and that's also why it's so unreliable for a very long time (unlike Type80/88's 730 engine based on V-2). Here are some photos of it:
    .
    (the photo above could either be 150X or 150HB, I'm not sure, sorry, I'm not good at engine. BTW, in case you don't know, 150X is another engine designed for WZ123, like F100/F110 for F-15/F-16 , but it's canceled before completed)


    I have to work now, I'll answer your rest questions later.
     
  20. Tank You
    U-47 reacted to Molota_477 in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    676 ‘s model.
  21. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from LoooSeR in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    1, like I said before, though we did try to make a tank engine based on MTU in 1978, but it failed. So maybe Type99 tank's engine still has some German tech, but that's not the major part.
    2, in 1990s, a lot of Chinese  military fans worship German tech (even still today), so they hope our engine is also made by German tech, that's why the "99 engine is copyed from MTU" rumor keeps spreading.
    3, 120V150ZLC engine (type 80/88/96, 730hp, also called as "730" by our old tank enginers and designers) is basicly a turbocharged V-2-54, here are 2 early photos of it:
    prototype engine under test:

    test tank ( looks like a Type69, maybe "68 revolution", according to WZ123's deputy chief designer's memoir, "68 revolution" is the frist test bed for 730 engine, it's a tank designed by a worker, yes, worker, not tank enginer, basicly a ordinary type 59/69 with some improvements, no detail info or photo ) with prototype engine under test:

    4, Type99 (before 99A)'s engine is C12V150ZAL (1200hp, or 150HB), like I said before, it is basicly a new engine (with some tech from British CV12 much more than German MTU), and that's also why it's so unreliable for a very long time (unlike Type80/88's 730 engine based on V-2). Here are some photos of it:
    .
    (the photo above could either be 150X or 150HB, I'm not sure, sorry, I'm not good at engine. BTW, in case you don't know, 150X is another engine designed for WZ123, like F100/F110 for F-15/F-16 , but it's canceled before completed)


    I have to work now, I'll answer your rest questions later.
     
  22. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Bronezhilet in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    1, like I said before, though we did try to make a tank engine based on MTU in 1978, but it failed. So maybe Type99 tank's engine still has some German tech, but that's not the major part.
    2, in 1990s, a lot of Chinese  military fans worship German tech (even still today), so they hope our engine is also made by German tech, that's why the "99 engine is copyed from MTU" rumor keeps spreading.
    3, 120V150ZLC engine (type 80/88/96, 730hp, also called as "730" by our old tank enginers and designers) is basicly a turbocharged V-2-54, here are 2 early photos of it:
    prototype engine under test:

    test tank ( looks like a Type69, maybe "68 revolution", according to WZ123's deputy chief designer's memoir, "68 revolution" is the frist test bed for 730 engine, it's a tank designed by a worker, yes, worker, not tank enginer, basicly a ordinary type 59/69 with some improvements, no detail info or photo ) with prototype engine under test:

    4, Type99 (before 99A)'s engine is C12V150ZAL (1200hp, or 150HB), like I said before, it is basicly a new engine (with some tech from British CV12 much more than German MTU), and that's also why it's so unreliable for a very long time (unlike Type80/88's 730 engine based on V-2). Here are some photos of it:
    .
    (the photo above could either be 150X or 150HB, I'm not sure, sorry, I'm not good at engine. BTW, in case you don't know, 150X is another engine designed for WZ123, like F100/F110 for F-15/F-16 , but it's canceled before completed)


    I have to work now, I'll answer your rest questions later.
     
  23. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Zyklon in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    It's a rumor, but comes with good reason, because we do imported 10 sets of MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( Leopard 2's MTU873's civil use version) in 1978, what we wanted is to make a tank engine version of it, for our future tank (at that time's future tank).
    The question is, the 960hp 8V165 ( V-8, cylinder diameter=165mm, which means 120hp per cylinder) prototype engine based on MTU failed in test again and again, the reason is simply: we don't have that level of technology in early 1980s, and Germans refuse to give us any help when we asked, so this engine had no way to go but died.
    After it failed, in 1981, we decided to devlop a new 1000hp 12V150 engine (and we hope we can improve it to 1200hp later) , which means 83hp per cylinder, so it's more easier to made than the 8V165. With the help from CV12 ( Challenger tank's 1200hp engine, we imported from British in 1985 and made a lot of live test on BK1850~BK1871, and obviously our technology level was better in 1985 than 8V165's 1978 ) and western experts ( I know they helped, but I don't know how much ),  this one is at least more reliable and been installed to WZ123's prototype. It was declare success in 1998, here, I don't know if it achieved 1000hp in 1998 or before 1998, anyway this is 9910's engine. And Type99 (the 2004 type) installed its 1200hp version.
    So basicly this engine is a Chinese one with some technology from British more than German.
    Type99A has a new engine, it is said it's a whole new engine developed all by ourself, but I don't know its detail.
    I don't know the whole codes for Type80 and Type85 family, I only know Type85-II AP's code is BK1055, and Type90-II is BK1062. And there is another interesting thing, somehow Plant 617 has a T-72 upgrade plan called BK1041, no detail info.
    I never heard Type85-IIA, I don't think it has been built.
    Type85-III's 1000hp engine pack comes from Yugoslavia, I never heard anything about we work with Poland on any tank.
    Type80's engine: Max 730HP at 2000 r/min, fuel cost 237~313L/100km ( type59 is 180~190L/100km in the same file, doesn't mention if it is on road or in the field, maybe the lower one is on road and the higher one is in the field), lubricant cost 8.5~10.3L/100km (type59 is 6~8).
    Type80: Max speed 57km/h (type59/69/79 is 50km/h in the same file), average speed on road is 35~40km/h (type59 is 30~33, type69/79 is 32~35).
     
     
    I think the Type80 with D10T gun is a early prototype.
    I don't know where you find this early Type99's picture, but that's nice, I never saw this photo before.
    I have to sleep now, it's 01:31 here already.
  24. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Belesarius in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    It's a rumor, but comes with good reason, because we do imported 10 sets of MTU 8V331TC41 engine ( Leopard 2's MTU873's civil use version) in 1978, what we wanted is to make a tank engine version of it, for our future tank (at that time's future tank).
    The question is, the 960hp 8V165 ( V-8, cylinder diameter=165mm, which means 120hp per cylinder) prototype engine based on MTU failed in test again and again, the reason is simply: we don't have that level of technology in early 1980s, and Germans refuse to give us any help when we asked, so this engine had no way to go but died.
    After it failed, in 1981, we decided to devlop a new 1000hp 12V150 engine (and we hope we can improve it to 1200hp later) , which means 83hp per cylinder, so it's more easier to made than the 8V165. With the help from CV12 ( Challenger tank's 1200hp engine, we imported from British in 1985 and made a lot of live test on BK1850~BK1871, and obviously our technology level was better in 1985 than 8V165's 1978 ) and western experts ( I know they helped, but I don't know how much ),  this one is at least more reliable and been installed to WZ123's prototype. It was declare success in 1998, here, I don't know if it achieved 1000hp in 1998 or before 1998, anyway this is 9910's engine. And Type99 (the 2004 type) installed its 1200hp version.
    So basicly this engine is a Chinese one with some technology from British more than German.
    Type99A has a new engine, it is said it's a whole new engine developed all by ourself, but I don't know its detail.
    I don't know the whole codes for Type80 and Type85 family, I only know Type85-II AP's code is BK1055, and Type90-II is BK1062. And there is another interesting thing, somehow Plant 617 has a T-72 upgrade plan called BK1041, no detail info.
    I never heard Type85-IIA, I don't think it has been built.
    Type85-III's 1000hp engine pack comes from Yugoslavia, I never heard anything about we work with Poland on any tank.
    Type80's engine: Max 730HP at 2000 r/min, fuel cost 237~313L/100km ( type59 is 180~190L/100km in the same file, doesn't mention if it is on road or in the field, maybe the lower one is on road and the higher one is in the field), lubricant cost 8.5~10.3L/100km (type59 is 6~8).
    Type80: Max speed 57km/h (type59/69/79 is 50km/h in the same file), average speed on road is 35~40km/h (type59 is 30~33, type69/79 is 32~35).
     
     
    I think the Type80 with D10T gun is a early prototype.
    I don't know where you find this early Type99's picture, but that's nice, I never saw this photo before.
    I have to sleep now, it's 01:31 here already.
  25. Tank You
    U-47 got a reaction from Khand-e in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    Not much, I know sth about what we have in that era ( specific armour and weapon performance, but it is still classified info, so I can't told you the detail, what I can share is in 1989, the lowest Chinese composite armour is a copy of early T72's UFP armour, 200mm at 22  degree, which resist 320mm VS AP and 425mm VS HEAT; the best one is also 200mm/22 degree, which can resist 400mm+ VS AP and 600mm+ VS HEAT. So we may assume that's what the first prototype has ), but not WZ123's original design's detail info.
    All I have about it, is another photo of its early model, this is declassified:

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