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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Gun Ready in Explosive Reactive Armor   
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from FORMATOSE in Explosive Reactive Armor   
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    Jägerlein reacted to Beer in Ukrainian Civil War Thread: All Quiet on the Sturgeon Front   
    You invaded another country and you keep turning it into a pile of rubble. You are fully responsible for all what is happening. Don't even try to portay Russia as a victim. Noone was attacking Russia and noone is attacking it even now even though it fully deserves that and the only things which prevents that is nukes. 
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Laviduce in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    Meanwhile sad looking Bundeswehr 2A6A3A4A5 wannabe A7s
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Laviduce in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    180 A7 are a substantial number.
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Dragonstriker in United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines   
    Beer=Czechia 
    German Idio--uhm I mean politicians and armchair experts proposing ring-exchanges before asking somebody who knows shit= Slovakia 
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    Jägerlein reacted to Beer in United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines   
    Slovenia, not Slovakia. 
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    Jägerlein reacted to SH_MM in Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) and Euro Main Battle Tank (EMBT)   
    First of all, the "emergency funds" are not unlocked yet. The approval of the parliament is still pending and the current government is dependent - at least if it wants its "ideal solution" for securing these funds (i.e. by adding it to the article 87a of the German consistution, so that the next government doesn't cut/abuse this funds) - on the support of the conservative Union parties. These parties (CDU and CSU) have in the past sixteen years done more harm to the state of the German military than all left-leaning/pacifist governments in all preceeding governments.
     
    Secondly: these program are long running and have been on-going for several years - or even decades - before the new Sondervermögen of €100 billions was approved. Early plans saw the Tornado replacement start in 2015 (meaning first aircraft being delivered then), though lack of funding and other issues lead to this program only being started somewhere in or before 2015. In 2015/2016 there were talks with multiple European governments for a cooperative effort, but no partner was found (due to different schedules and the JSF program - which included five European partners). Since 2017 it is clear that an American jet will be purchased, the only question was whether it is going to be the F-18 or the F-35 (and the head of the German airforce publicly announced his support for the F-35, which costed him his job).
     
     
    This is again the French view. If you take a look German view, things might look a bit different.
     
    MGCS was delayed because France is over-protective of its defence industry and does mostly cares about the ownership of defence companies. The reason for the German parliament delaying funding (for a phase) of the MGCS was France threatening to cancel its participation in the project in case Rheinmetall bought KDNS. Even though Nexter's plants would have remained active, support for French AFVs would still remain in France and the French part of the production and development of the MGCS could have remained in France, a Rheinmetall-owned Nexter would not be "French enough" to continue the MGCS development. As the German government cannot make arbitrary rules for specific companies, the German parliament made clear that it would delay all funding of the MGCS until Rheinmetall withdrew its offer (so that the MGCS project would continue with France).
     
    So why you see the German parliament delaying the MGCS, you actually mean "the German parliament represented French defence-industrial interests". Honestly the Bundestag should not have done that. They should have allowed Rheinmetall to buy KDNS, then we would have seen what kind of alternatives France would have had to buying products from an (indirectly) Rheinmetall-owned Nexter...
     
    As for FCAS, this is not Airbus randomly trying to get IP "for free". It has been contractucally agreed by Germany and France that the results of the development - which are also funded with German money - would be shared. That is the understanding of the contract by German officials. Germany just wants to get what it is paying for; Airbus' developments are also being handed over the France. Dassault only wants to get a competitve advantage over Airbus for the future. The French senate (supporting Dassault) wants Germany and Spain to sacrifice their respective jet fighter industries for the sake of Dassault.
     
    It is the same issue with Spains admission in the FCAS project. Germany did not invite Spain on its own into the program, it was an agreement made together with the French government. However after Spain joined, Dassault and French newspapers (supporting Dassault) started complaining that Dassault should have a greater workshare and remain program lead. The fact that France and Germany both own the same amount of Airbus shares doesn't matter, the company is not "French enough".
     
    Germany's take on the FCAS and MGCS can be summarized with one sentence: "France wants our money to fund its own arms industry."
     
    Then there is the issue that a classified report from the BAAINBw was leaked (whole or in parts) to the press, which states that the preliminary design for FCAS falls short of meeting expectations or being a next-generation fighter. It is described as a "Rafale Plus", lacking essential technologies (in the earlier stages), using weaker designs (on the demonstrator, because Dassault didn't want to use German engines) and "misses the aim" of being a sixth generation fighter. France acting regarding FCAS has been described as "emotional blackmail".
     
    Whom to believe? Probably both sides want to get the best out of the deal. However I don't like how Dassault openly worsens the situation of the FCAS and actively approaches newspapers to gain public support in France. Airbus is a lot quieter, the German government seems to be in charge of things on the German side. Dassault meanwhile doesn't seem to be under control of the French government.
     
     
    The availability issues are not consistent and not limited to Germany. Depending on which year you pick, either France or Germany is worse - but both of them are bad. E.g. in 2016 Germany's Tiger fleet had an availability of 48% while France's had an availability of 25.6% (21.4% before 2016).
     
    Currently the availability of Germany's Tigers is to be raised by a special contract with Airbus, but it has yet to reach a desirable rate. Part of the problem is that the Tiger just requires too much maintenance, so that the hangar slots are a limiting factor.
     
     
    No, because the F-35 is no alternative to the FCAS. The FCAS is meant to be a sixth generation fighter jet, the F-35 is a fifth generation one. The F-35 is replacing the Tornado, Germany already has committed to further developing its Eurofighter to bridge the gap to FCAS. The only alternative to FCAS is joining the Tempest project, which is something that Italy proposed should Germany do, if troubles with France continue.
     
     
    We have seen that Russia's air defence systems are not sufficient to even prevent Hinds and MiG-29s from operating, but surely they would stop F-35s...
     
     
    The plans to certify/qualify the F-18 for the B61 were dropped after the new German government already had shelved the planned F-18 purchase. Before the elections the members of the now ruling coalition already announced their desire to re-evalute the option to buy the F-35 given the perceived short-comings of the F-18 (and given that the only reason why the F-35 was not selected were external factors, i.e. the fear that France would withdraw from FCAS if Germany spend too much money on the Tornado replacement).
     
     
    This is however a view on the matter that is nearly exclusive to the French. Germans are very happy about the decision of the government to not reduce its military purchases solely to a tool to appease France, but rather focusing on the capabilities of the German Army (and EU/NATO) to defend itself against attacks. When French sources claim that these choices are bad for "Europe", they usually mean "the French defense industry".
    CH-47 is supposedly favored for interoperability with EU partners such as the Netherlands, with which a new air-mobile vehicle platform (4x4) will be jointly procured. F-35 provides options for cooperation with the Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway Italy, Poland and Switzerland - all relatively close partners of Germany. Italy already wants to discuss/discusses options for industrial cooperation with Germany regarding the F-35, while Boeing's offer in the STH program might see Germany becoming a hub nation forthe support and deep maintenance of many European CH-47s.
     
    There are no equally capable European alternatives to the purchase of the F-35, the CH-47 and the P-8. They don't exist. So the only option to appease France would be to sacrifice capabilities (by delaying procurements by a decade or more).
     
    When purchasing the C-130J for the Franco-German transport squadron, there were no issues with "European interests", because France didn't want to sacrifice capabilities until an European alternative would have been developed.
     
     
    ... and in case of Airbus the reason will be Dassault withholding construction details regardless of agreements.
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Cobras in Ukrainian Civil War Thread: All Quiet on the Sturgeon Front   
    Cheap replacement nearby @46.9752, 32.0037   As good as new tovarisch! 
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Eliz in Ukrainian Civil War Thread: All Quiet on the Sturgeon Front   
    Russia sources yet unmobilized logistic capacities:
    Volkssturm Edition

     
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Gauntlet in Ukrainian Civil War Thread: All Quiet on the Sturgeon Front   
    VDV got in a bad neighborhood:
     
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from watch_your_fire in Ukrainian Civil War Thread: All Quiet on the Sturgeon Front   
    VDV got in a bad neighborhood:
     
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    Jägerlein reacted to SH_MM in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    The Leopard 1A3's fire control system and optics were derived from the contemporary Leopard 2 development; in particular the EMES 12 steoroscopic rangefinder, the PERI R12 commander's sight and the FLER-H are based on early Leopard 2 components.
     
    But on the Leopard 2 prototypes the EMES 12 was not just an optical rangefinder. Paul-Werner Krapke in his book essentially calls it an optical rangefinder with integrated laser rangefinder, which leaves tonnes of room for imagination. The Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik from 1974 explains some details regarding this arrangement. Basically the laser rangefinder used the same lenses as the optical rangefinder, but was reflected at a semi-translucent mirror, while visible light could pass it. As the Bundeswehr considered laser rangefinders to be too inaccurate during the early 1970s (apparently they often picked up incorrect or multiple laser echos), the gunner had the task to double-check the laser rangefinder's measurements. For this purpose the result of the laser rangefinding was displayed in the gunner's eyepieces, so that he could quickly set the optical rangefinder to that range - if the measurement was correct, then the target would appear correctly ranged (sharp) in the optical rangefinder aswell.
    For the Leopard 1A3 the laser rangefinder was removed - probably as cost-saving measure.
     
    I wonder what this means regarding the reliability of the Tank Laser Sight adopted on the Chieftain already in 1970...
     
    On a side note, the FERO Z12 auxiliary sight on the early Leopard 2 prototypes also included a night vision option (of unknown quality - IR or image intensifier?) - the later FERO Z18 of the Leopard 2 and corresponding devices found on other modern tanks like the Abrams and Challenger 2 only work as daysights.
     
    But the really interesting aspect of the early Leopard 2 prototypes are the night vision devices. Basically two different designs were tested: the PZNG and NZG 200.
     
    The PZNG (this probably stands for "passives Ziel- und Nachtsichtgerät" - passive targeting and night vision device) was made by AEG. It consists of a fully-stabilized periscope incorporating a low light level television system with a 200 mm lens opening and basically the same second-generation image intensifier as used in the PZB 200 LLTV camera. The whole PZNG had a weight of circa 70 kilograms and was mounted on a retractable mast at the back of the turret. Full 360° traverse and elevation ranging from -10° to +20° allowed detection targets at all directions.
     

    PZNG with captions pointing towards the LLTV camera lens ("TV-KANAL"), thermal imager lens ("WB-KANAL"), as well as drives for elevation and azimuth
     
    A special feature of the PZNG was the so-called Wärmebildortung or Wärmebildpeilung (basically: thermal image detection/scanning). Thermal imagers at the early 1970s didn't offer sufficient resolution and contrast to be used as night vision devices in armored vehicles; yet they clearly offered a massive advantage in terms of detection capability. So AEG decided to add a thermal imaging system to the PZNG to be purely used for target detection, which projected the image onto the photocathode of the camera tube. Essentially by activating the Wärmebildortung the thermal imager produced images at a very slow rate (just one frame per minute, probably in order to reduce the required cooling system). These were laid over the image provided by the LLLTV system, essentially acting as a very early type of sensor fusion. Compared to thermal rangefinders, LLLTV systems at the time provided clearer images and longer ranges (up to 3,000 meters according to the optimistic values from the Jahrbuch der Wehrtechnik 1974). The modular design of the PZNG allowed to completely replace it with a newer thermal imager in the future.
     
    The NZG 200 was developed by Zeiss and Eltro. I believe that NZG might stand for "Nachtsichtzielgerät" - night vision targeting device. In terms of overall specs, it is largely similar to the PZNG - a 70 kg heavy, fully stabilized periscope with 360° travese and -10° to +20° elevation that sits on an elevatable mast which can be retracted into the turret. The main difference between both systems is the image intensifier - another type of video camera tube was used - and the íntegration of the still early thermal imaging technology. Instead of a small thermal sensor with a low framerate being used, the NZG 200 included a proper thermal imager. A mirror in the "dead" zone of the LLLTV's mirror lens directed the incoming light to it. As the resolution was still rather limited, the thermal imager also was to be only used for target detection - identification of the target aswell as aiming was to be done using the image intensifier instead.
     

     
    The NZG 200 didn't allow overlying the thermal imager's output onto the LLLTV image, instead the operator had to switch between switch between both modes. Alternatively one operator (gunner or commander) could view the thermal channel, while the other could view the LLLTV channel. The NZG 200 was designed in such a way, that the thermal imaging module could be easily replaced with newer ones in the future.
     
     
    The PZNG was fitted to the Leopard 2 prototype turrets T12 and T17, while the NZG 200 was fitted to the turrets T11 and T16.
     

     
    Leopard 2 prototype with turret T11 (the only one with 20 mm autocannon). The NZG 200 is visible at the center-left side of the photo. Next to it is the pulse spotlight, which could be used with the LLLTV system in the oimnous "gated viewing mode".
     
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Laviduce in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    Today the first Leopard 2A7V was handed over to the Bundeswehr by KMW. The troops must still be a bit patient since the first went to the BAAINBw ( BWB was just to easy *sigh*).

    More pictures: https://www.kmweg.de/mediacenter/pressebilder.html
    While Germany got it's first of 104 A7V which will be  delivered untill 2023, Denmark received it's first of 44 A7 which will be delivered untill 22.
    source:https://www.kmweg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/news/KMW_Pressemitteilung_Daenemark_und_Deutschland_erhalten_modernste_Versionen_des_LEOPARD_2.pdf
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Zadlo in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    And because I stumbled across it, here the versions which will be in german service:
    Leopard 2 A5 (@ Gefechts Übungs Zentrum)
    Leopard 2 A6 MA2 (@ DE/NL PzBtl. 414)
    Leopard 2 A6 A3 (brought to the same operating concept as A7 as a preparation for the switch to A7)
    Leopard 2 A7 (Addition V gets removed like Rico said).

    The first two A7V are converted A7 while the remaining 18 A7 will be the last ones to be upgraded. The A4 conversions of the A4 started this yearand will take untill
    2023 - the turrets are (re)build in Kassel and this is the bottleneck of the industries capacity. Untill 2019 they were busy with 62 A7+ for Katar and in 2023 it is planned
    to start with the order of 44 A7+ for Hungary.
    The upgrade for the 2 A6MA3s will start in 2023 and will be finished in 2026.
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from 2805662 in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    And because I stumbled across it, here the versions which will be in german service:
    Leopard 2 A5 (@ Gefechts Übungs Zentrum)
    Leopard 2 A6 MA2 (@ DE/NL PzBtl. 414)
    Leopard 2 A6 A3 (brought to the same operating concept as A7 as a preparation for the switch to A7)
    Leopard 2 A7 (Addition V gets removed like Rico said).

    The first two A7V are converted A7 while the remaining 18 A7 will be the last ones to be upgraded. The A4 conversions of the A4 started this yearand will take untill
    2023 - the turrets are (re)build in Kassel and this is the bottleneck of the industries capacity. Untill 2019 they were busy with 62 A7+ for Katar and in 2023 it is planned
    to start with the order of 44 A7+ for Hungary.
    The upgrade for the 2 A6MA3s will start in 2023 and will be finished in 2026.
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Serge in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    And because I stumbled across it, here the versions which will be in german service:
    Leopard 2 A5 (@ Gefechts Übungs Zentrum)
    Leopard 2 A6 MA2 (@ DE/NL PzBtl. 414)
    Leopard 2 A6 A3 (brought to the same operating concept as A7 as a preparation for the switch to A7)
    Leopard 2 A7 (Addition V gets removed like Rico said).

    The first two A7V are converted A7 while the remaining 18 A7 will be the last ones to be upgraded. The A4 conversions of the A4 started this yearand will take untill
    2023 - the turrets are (re)build in Kassel and this is the bottleneck of the industries capacity. Untill 2019 they were busy with 62 A7+ for Katar and in 2023 it is planned
    to start with the order of 44 A7+ for Hungary.
    The upgrade for the 2 A6MA3s will start in 2023 and will be finished in 2026.
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Serge in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    @KaramazovIn march this year additional 101 A7V were ordered, so alltogether 205.Afair the A7V upgrade also includes a stronger APU, the same like the A7Q uses. Furthermore at least the older A4s will receive the L55A1 instead of the L44 in the process. This  enables the tank to use the programmable fuze of the DM11 HE which replaces the DM12 HEAT-MZ and other future programmable ammunitions (KE2020?). No Idea if or how many of the second order shall be refitted wit the L55A1.
    This press release:http://www.bundeswehr-journal.de/2017/rheinmetall-beginnt-panzerumruestung-auf-leopard-2-a7v/#more-8269 also speaks of a new thermal imaging system, a new eye save rangefinder and the removal of obsolescences ( fire control e.g)
     
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Beer in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    Today the first Leopard 2A7V was handed over to the Bundeswehr by KMW. The troops must still be a bit patient since the first went to the BAAINBw ( BWB was just to easy *sigh*).

    More pictures: https://www.kmweg.de/mediacenter/pressebilder.html
    While Germany got it's first of 104 A7V which will be  delivered untill 2023, Denmark received it's first of 44 A7 which will be delivered untill 22.
    source:https://www.kmweg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/news/KMW_Pressemitteilung_Daenemark_und_Deutschland_erhalten_modernste_Versionen_des_LEOPARD_2.pdf
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Karamazov in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    Today the first Leopard 2A7V was handed over to the Bundeswehr by KMW. The troops must still be a bit patient since the first went to the BAAINBw ( BWB was just to easy *sigh*).

    More pictures: https://www.kmweg.de/mediacenter/pressebilder.html
    While Germany got it's first of 104 A7V which will be  delivered untill 2023, Denmark received it's first of 44 A7 which will be delivered untill 22.
    source:https://www.kmweg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/news/KMW_Pressemitteilung_Daenemark_und_Deutschland_erhalten_modernste_Versionen_des_LEOPARD_2.pdf
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Serge in The Leopard 2 Thread   
    Today the first Leopard 2A7V was handed over to the Bundeswehr by KMW. The troops must still be a bit patient since the first went to the BAAINBw ( BWB was just to easy *sigh*).

    More pictures: https://www.kmweg.de/mediacenter/pressebilder.html
    While Germany got it's first of 104 A7V which will be  delivered untill 2023, Denmark received it's first of 44 A7 which will be delivered untill 22.
    source:https://www.kmweg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/news/KMW_Pressemitteilung_Daenemark_und_Deutschland_erhalten_modernste_Versionen_des_LEOPARD_2.pdf
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    Jägerlein reacted to EnsignExpendable in Communist tracked boxes with pancake turrets: don't you dare to confuse GLORIOUS T-80 battle tank with Kharkovite T-64 tractor that doesn't work.   
    Red/dark blue: prospective
    Brown/gray blue: modernization
    Yellow/light blue: production
     
    The orange bit isn't in the legend, I'm guessing it's a modernization that has already been applied?
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Zyklon in Name that AFV: The New Tank ID thread   
    This issue includes even more:

    and:

    No further talk of the 1A3. Hope this wasn't to much derailing.
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    Jägerlein got a reaction from Scolopax in Name that AFV: The New Tank ID thread   
    This issue includes even more:

    and:

    No further talk of the 1A3. Hope this wasn't to much derailing.
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