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Rheinmetall confirmed Challenger 2 LEP awarded, official details TBC but 148 tanks looks good
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Headline change is swap from L30A1 rifled gun to Rheinmetall L55A1 smoothbore
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US has also provisionally confirmed M829A4 depleted uranium (DU) penetrator APFSDS round could be qualified rapidly for use from IOC.
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Rounds stored in now industry-standard isolated bustle compartment with blow-out panels in event of penetration. Compartment holds 15 rds with a further 16 in hull storage, for total of 31. Compares with 49 in the CR2
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LEP will use the same sights as AJAX, the Thales ORION and DNGS T3 (comamder/gunner)
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Upgrade introduces new modular armour (nMA) package that raises baseline protection. Damaged modules can be replaced and can more easily accept future upgrades.
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It will include new appliqué hull side and belly armour package for enhancing protection against mines, IEDs, and other underbody blast threats. The existing packs are relatively heavy, and dstl is working to develop lighter solutions for LEP as an optional additional module.
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APS is required to meet survivability targets
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I hear Trophy has been selected and 60 sets will be bought
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Army is approaching mobility enhancement of Challenger 2 as a whole fleet concept, including CR2 driver training tank, TITAN AVBL and TROJAN AEV.
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HAAIP will see a common engine and suspension standard applied to all CR2 variants, comprising an engine rebuild to the CV12-8a standard, new third-generation hydrogas (3GH) suspension, a new hydraulic track tensioner, an electric cold start system, and an improved cooling system
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Once upgraded and fitted with nMA and APS, CR2 will be MLC100 class
- ALTERNATIVES: The army considered alternatives that could provide a comparable capability but at a more compelling price. Those included leasing, buying second hand, or locally manufacturing the Leopard 2A7V and M1A2 SEPv2, as well as potential new vehicle offerings......including baseline Korean K2 and the larger K2PL specification designed for Poland. However, in all instances these alternatives were assessed to be unaffordable or politically incompatible compared with the preferred option of the RBSL proposal and the LEP+ requirements set
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Rheinmetall confirmed Challenger 2 LEP awarded, official details TBC but 148 tanks looks good
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...this thread over the past pages:
- N-L-M, Lord_James, Stimpy75 and 3 others
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Telford Armour
QuoteIn brief, @RH_BAES_Land has developed Telford Enhanced Spaced Armour (TESA), a perforated armour offering protection up to STANAG 5 at 50% of the weight of equivalent RHA. It utilises a unique geometry to increase effects on projectiles.
QuoteThe second is Telford Enhanced Ceramic Armour, which is slightly behind the development of TESA but utilises sealed ceramic armour packs to offer protection at STANAG 6+.
Might be related to the Porton Down armour mentioned in "CR3" upgrade.- Serge, Alzoc and Lord_James
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13 hours ago, Sovngard said:
This could have been worse without the lessons learned from Saif Sareea 2 exercise.
Indeed.
Although the lesson should've been learnt when CR1s had the same issues whilst mustering in Saudi Arabia. Vickers had to rush a team out to desertify them. -
On 2/3/2021 at 9:31 AM, DIADES said:
Including not making it to the fight cos made in England?
Challenger 1 had 98% availability during the Gulf War. Only attrition being two CR1s driving into each other and breaking their guns at the very beginning.
Challenger 2 had a similar availability during the Iraq invasion and only downtime was due to a massive sandstorm.
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General Dynamics UK have created a virtual expo complete with a 3D model viewer for Ajax and Foxhound:
https://gdgoesvirtual.com/ls/event.html
Password = GD2021
Interesting things like an electronic drive system for Foxhound:
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lol I thought it was Greek camo because I combined these 2 schemes together in my head:
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CV9035NL MLU
QuoteDefense signs an extensive MidLife Update contract with
@BAESHagglunds
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@landmacht
. The MLU provides the CV9035NL with increased protection against current and future threats, including anti-tank missiles.
- Cleb, Ramlaen, Laser Shark and 3 others
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Figured it out. It's a regular turret on a E hull.
I didn't notice the different rear and then thought it was a re-painted Omani version as they have different cooling exhausts:
I had also forgotten that the version used in Greek trials had a mantle-mounted optic but used the updated periscope:
I wonder why it was changed? Previously the regular CR2E was the one being advertised to Greece:- Ramlaen, Clan_Ghost_Bear, SH_MM and 1 other
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Challenger 2(E) Promotional Posters
QuoteThat vehicle, as the title says, is Challenger 2E. Only existed as a single example. This is the first Challenger 2 prototype vehicle, V1. From my book - V1. Registration number 06SP87 was used as a general trial’s vehicle. Environmental and other areas of performance were tested. V1 was sold back to Vickers Defence Systems to enable development work to commence on Project Copenhagen, the tank eventually to be the Challenger 2 that was built for Oman. V1, much modified as Challenger 2E, still exists as a Gate Guardian at the BAE facility in Telford.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/chally/permalink/3827327810631274/
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CV12 Remanufacture
QuoteChallenger 1 Rolls Royce / Perkins CV12 (4A) after completion of its remanufacture and awaiting packaging to 'Level J' standard and another one during engine assembly back in the 1990's.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/chally/permalink/3796493567048032/- Stimpy75 and Clan_Ghost_Bear
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1 hour ago, SH_MM said:
The Eagle IV and V are based on the UNIMOG chassis.
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How would you open the modules?
There's no doors on individual modules and the tops are bolted. The entire module array is bolted together and only the side skirt sections have hinges
To access the supposed top storage you would have to lift and hold the entire array:
I imagine that the logic with PSO fit is that the vehicles would be operating closely from FOBs and not need as much autonomy.
Early renders showed vehicles covered entirely in slat armour and equipment bolted onto the hull:
Britons are in trouble
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By all accounts the turret did work in the end and the battlefield trials for WCSP were going well.
However with all the delays and cost overruns it simply became untenable to continue.
I would say "politically risky" would refer to the optics of giving LMUK more money to continue a "failed" programme on another platform.
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Scottish Conservative leader standing on a Hawkei at Thales in Glasgow.
Recently GDUK has been promoting Foxhound on twitter sparking speculation that L-ATV will be rejected for MRV-P Group 1.
Hawkei turning up at the proposed manufacturing site for Bushmaster (competing against Eagle V 6x6 for MRV-P Group 2) and allowed to be used for a photo-op adds to that further.
Link if you want to see more photos of a politician climbing on a no-step bonnet:
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/thales?events=775640429&family=editorial&phrase=thales&sort=best