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And Yamato can into 27.4 or higher. So can musashi. Actually Musashi can into higher speed by almost a knot. (28). Iowa cannot sustain that speed. And the figures I have given are for full load. So I'll assume 27/28 area for Yamato, 32 max Iowa. Load changes speed :/

I don't read Japanese unfortunately. Can you tell me the meaning?

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It did in A6M8. Which is derived from the 1942 plan. Which began execution in 1945. The Zeroes armor would not have helped the Japanese in any meaningful way. Nor would have the self sealing tanks. It would have achieved some aircraft crashing into the sea/not being involved for a series of battles in 1943 though. Monumentally stupid? Do you think they had anything to use otherwise? Send them to training? You can say it's stupid but look at how feasible your plan is.

Yeah that's pretty well illustrated by oil production map at the time. Really shows. If you think it through again, Nagato has very limited ability to be used in battle without dying or taking critical damage. It can't beat most American battleships, it's AA screen is weaker, it's from 1920, it's FCS is less advanced, and it's, generally, fucked.

F6F has lower p/w performance because of the airframes weight. It's less maneuverable and while it does roll faster, the Zero losing dogfights comes down more to tactics and the engines altitude performance. Had the Zero an improved engine, which the A6M8 proves it can handle, the F6F would also be outclimbed.

Japan lost WW2 kamikaze is because lacking count of experienced pilots and too many airplanes. Zero is actually showing it's main flaw in Kamikaze attacks.

Check the shells again. Tsushima strait showed a battleship that suffered from structural issues, was made around WWI, was neglected for modernization, and came under overwhelming firepower in a surprise attack is vulernable. Although the battle did demonstrate poor accuracy. Never denied that the Yamato's FCS was more primitive. Only claimed the main guns have superior mechanical accuracy. And that the Yamato relied on spotter aircraft for BVR potential. Careful what you claim about speed. Yamato is capable of 27 knots, or some higher based on the weather. Iowa is rated for 30 knots or 32 knots not sustained. Musashi is claimed at around 28. 28+7 = 35 knots; only achieved in shallow water at low loads. 27+7 = 34 knots: you're struggling to get that speed.

You just said it turned. Now it's a roll? Again Akutan model is not completely representative of many production Zero. But I think it is so. It is an earlier model with 12m wings. The roll is not optimized like the turn is.

Super heavy shells still inferior to Yamato's Type 91 AP :/ Yamato's Type 1 AP outclasses Type 91 I didn't deny that. But it won't over turn the odds. Superior speed is a virtual non factor in comparisons of firepower and dueling ability. Superior reloading equipment how? 127mm AA of Japan less DP than 5" but the main difference is investment. 5"/38 on American ships really isn't "dual purpose" beyond being a 127mm gun. Does Iowa get to use inefficient engines and inferior electronics? Oh that's right... Battleships actually do? What? Bombardment? Yamato's superior firepower wins hands down. Dueling? Yamato wins Not being torpedoed to death? Most (modern) Americans win.

No. It is a 1941 plane that was maneuverable but was slow to roll because of span, aspect ratio, and somewhat questionable weight reduction choices. In the same generation as BF 109, Spitfire, Yak, etc. Somewhat like the Yak, it was stuck with the same engine through most of the war. Unlike the Yak... It was radial powered and couldn't cut weight anymore. Initially it was successful, but because of a myriad of issues, much less with the design than the limitations of Japan as a nation at the period, it suffered from a poor combat record as the war drew on. Also Japanese industry was really behind so many were literally hand made. Quality control was a bit "eh" and the early war American captured one is a patched up crashed plane that doesn't perform to spec. Then some Japanese Zeroes clubbed the Brits latewar. If you are trying self sealing tanks; it cuts the range alot. Modern fighters are said to lack that feature completely.

I... Actually said that... I didn't see it. I meant battleship battleship duelist. But if you are going to compare battleship design to battleship design Yamato is definitely better than Iowa in raw power. Iowa's main winning counts come in forms like anti aircraft FCS. Iowa's just a bigger less efficient version of it's predecessor as a design. So if I am to argue that point as it is said. (My bad hard to do on phone) Then I will say. If you wanted maximum efficiency you would never have built the Iowa class in the first place.

I didn't even talk about best. The idea I raised was that when dueling battleship to battleship Yamato will (probably) win. Somehow this became a matter of the best by whatever criterion that was demanded. I didn't realize a winner of a battleship duel suddenly became the best multirole warship. *sarcasm* I don't intend to argue too much, but the facts in archives ring true. My greatest issue ATM is not being able to read the archive anymore. Your own site has the Fischer archive listed.

It really isn't a bad aircraft. For the role it was designed to do, namely, beat battleships, being the precise criteria I just laid out, it was very good. Yamato being a product of the IJN's doctrine, should be appreciated as such. The Zeroes lack of self sealing tanks in early models is rectified later. That was later changed. The reality is self sealing tanks are bad for range. And when padding the distance in particular, the Zero did that. The main thing that kept the design back, was the Navy's refusal of a more powerful engine. Mitsubishi experimented to that end on it's own accord in 1945. "A burst"? You'd have to actually hit the fuel tanks to ignite the fuel tanks.

It actually fired around 100 shells to a degree of effect in 1 battle. So it's not *a* shot, no. Though it did achieve shooting down friendly aircraft... And even then, Yamato managed to score hits far beyond what it's Western counterparts had achieved. It's suicide mission presented no targets for which the main cannons could effectively engage. You are changing the target. You said Iowa was still floating? That has nothing to do with the design of the ship. That outcome is already decided.* Now you are claiming BS. *: Even if Japan surrenders without suiciding Yamato, Yamato is given to America, and then almost certainly nuked at crossroads if Nagato is anything to go by.

And Iowa never fought a major battle against anything other than a third world country/overwhelmingly favorable odds. Nor did the Iowa get involved with a suicide mission where the US sent an entire fleet armed with precisely what it's designers sacrificed protection against (many torpedo bombers) to achieve best anti BB performance. Poor argument.

His information is out of date. Things like the decapping formula and hand waving away Yamato's technical accuracy and sufficient ability to generate fire control solutions. He disregards that Yamato can actually handle BVR if you include all on board systems (spotter aircraft), instead of comparing specific solutions. Relative lack of understanding of Yamato's armor and simply hand waving it. He even over evaluates Yamato's TDS, because if you look at the facts it really does a terrible job against torpedoes. It's not particularly the joint as much as the entire design is conductive towards reserve buoyancy instead of actual protection. I don't think he's realized that Iowa doesn't have a sufficiently hard, or thick plate to decap Yamato's shells. He has cherry picked his information. You can even see it in his armor evaluation where he tries to analyze Yamato's armor but gives it a stat modifier based on... Jack shit actually. And IIRC, he subscribes to the myth that a battleship can simply wheel about at 30 km "dodging" enemy gun fire, because the radar FCS is suddenly able to increase technical accuracy. I'm not sure who you mean by the other people though.

I'm personally convinced Combined Fleet is talking out of his ass, and the information seen in the technical archives paint a very bleak picture for any WW2 era BB that intends to duel with the Yamato. Things like, Iowa can pierce Yamato citadel max distance 23km/40?, versus Yamato pierce Iowa citadel max distance 30km/38km. Yamato has more technically accurate guns with sufficient fire control to handle BVR This being the reasoning used by WG's technical assistants to place Yamato above Iowa in tiers. Though they fail to represent Yamato's scouting complement. Indeed it is in fact likely the Yamato will find the Iowa first, simply because of this spotting advantage. Yamato's gunnery record in her only major engagement is actually quite good. First volley tight straddle pattern on a jeep carrier at over 30 km? Repeatedly? I do not mean Iowa "straddling" so loosely that it's subject target was only aware it was straddled twice. While Yamato's TDS is quite poor at preventing torpedo damage it works fairly well as reserve buoyancy. This being a product of Japanese engine technology of the era forcing increased beam.

You wanna have a fight BB to BB Yamato wins everytime. You want a BB to take hits, Yamato wins every time so long as it has nothing to do with torpedoes. You want a BB to survive, Yamato wins hands down. Sure the AA tech is inferior to Iowa, but the design itself has the necessary characteristics to be best BB. Iowa overrated.

> A6M Zero > Yamato Oh. Zeroes main issues in combat had a lot more to do with situation, pilot training, flying culture of IJN air arm, and technological issues. In reality, the Zero could fight toe to toe with an F6F. Technological is radio issue, leading to difficulty co-ordinating battles. It might not help the Japanese used a lot of hand signals in dogfights, so when the Americans increased the battle area by going faster and higher, they ran into serious issues. Stuff like splitting up Japanese fighter groups was much easier than it's American counterpart. Also being handicapped by weak engine tech. Yamato best BB ever built.