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I think someone posted this before. You can find some amazing photos of a HL230 overhaul in a shop in Europe. http://www.armytech.com/panther_maybach_hl230_overhaul/#PhotoSwipe1611282212417 -
What's really pathetic, is they had examples of good books on Armor, the Books by Hunnicutt, but still produced basically, propaganda, picture books for scale modelers and people who like poorly designed Nazi weapons.
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They were ashamed they got caught, or that they lost. These were not good honorable people. They fought a dreadful war of Genocide against the Soviet Union(and we all know about the 6 million Jews and another 4 to 5 millions other civilians in Europe they murdered), and they all knew what was going on in the camps. It's really sad to see someone white knighting about their honor. You really think these people are going to be honest about the things they did? No, they wanted fools like you to think they were just honorable men forced to fight for a Maniac. That's bullshit, the good Germans died in the camps after resisting, you know there were resistors right?
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What had better mobility Panther or Pershing over a month of steady use. Probably the Pershing in both cases, because American Vehicles don't break in catastrophic ways that take a long time to fix. You can swap a whole M26 power pack in a few hours. That's a day at least on a Panther, since the hull roof and a bunch of road wheels have to come off to pull the Panthers Final Drives and Tranny. The engine wasn't super easy either. Pershing was 12.8 psi versus Panther G 12.65. Close enough to be negligible. Pershing was running 450 HP for 46 tons. The Panther had between 500 and 600, (no one lists what the governed rating was) for 44 tons. It only made its 700 HP rating when it could be spun to 3000RPM, but it was governed to 2500 RPM. Call it 550, giving the Panther the edge on paper, but I just read through Panther Wank, the quest for Combat supremacy by Jentz, and the whole book is a listing off all the shit that was wrong with these tanks and how they kind of a fixed them, but never really did. They Never fixed the HL230 of blowing head gaskets and throwing rods. Though, the horrible cooling system could have aggravated this, overheating blows head gaskets. After reading through the Jentz book, reliability goes to the Pershing. Pershing, a History of the T20 series documents far LESS problems than the Panther. Final Note, I had not looked through the Boo Bibles for years, and having read so many Hunnicutt books, I'm spoiled. They are just so much better than this Jentz and Spielburger garbage. They couldn't be bothered to put spec sheets in for the models. Trash, utter trash, but the pictures are nice.
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Do you believe the Germany army was clean of war crimes? The honorable germans claim that too. What nazis do you not believe?
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Great post. It wasn't just to train newbies that we pulled our experienced pilots out of combat. At least in the Pacific, they found pilots were only at peak effectiveness for about six weeks. They could recover, if taken out of combat, so again in the pacific, they rotated squadrons in and out for three tours then broke them up(Navy, or swapped in many new pilots). Europe may have been a little easier on the pilots since the living conditions were much better, but they did similar things. Most of the 8th and 9th Air Force Aces eventually got sent home too.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what thread it was in, but back in the day you did one. I remember being annoyed the kill claims could be possible. It boiled down to they flew a lot of damn sorties.
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Just like their aircraft kill claims. I know @Toxn did the math on sorties flown, and how their kill claim totals are possible. But I know just how much everyone overclaimed, and knowing the Germans on the retreat would rarely be able to confirm kills through wrecks, I find 200 plus kill counts really hard to buy. Their Knights of the sky were an important part of the propaganda to try and keep the people at homes morale up. Seems like Goebbels was not going to be picky about confirmations, and probably encouraged overclaims. I think all the big Nazi aces went to the graves claiming every kill as real... But who believes those clowns?
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Dude, you even insult people like a dipshit boo. Now, I'd like to think I contributed humor to the thread, boos like you never get the jokes, but I'll keep trying. I consider myself the forums number one insult comic. You know, if I was born in 1988, and I found out on the internets, just about every neo Nazi asshole ever puts some form of 88 in their name, and I had been using it in my User ID, I'd remove it. Of course, I know enough about Nazi Germany to not want to be linked to them in any way, even by mistake. First impressions count for a lot, and everyone who reads your name wonders if you're a little Nazi Asshole. It's true in this thread, I'm not the only person wondering about it. Hell, in the moderator channel, your known as hittler88. Everyone gave you the benefit of the doubt too, it wasn't until you started spewing shit right off the wehraboo bingo card you got called on it. The you went full idiot when I said the Nazis were only good at one thing, mass murder, and you go all full on Nazi Apologist right after. This is why your getting the tag. Your actions and words. don't blame your failings on me. Mass murder is not politics, and you know who always want to forget about the Nazi war crimes, Nazi apologists. You know who brings up other nations war crimes while defending Nazi War Crimes? Nazi Apologists. You don't want to be seen as one? Stop acting like one. Spielberger, Jentz, and Doyle do not support your inane arguments. I notice you don't mention Zaloga, boos Hate Zaloga. Take some responsibility for your own actions, you shit this thread up with your idiot arguments, Nazi wank fantasies, and anger over the truth the Nazis only did one thing well, Mass Murder. You look like the asshole on this one pal, we just pointed it out. P.S. If you were born in 1988, you're to old to be this ignorant and stupid.
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It would be really interesting to compare readiness rates for M26s in Europe versus the ones that went to Korea. It would also be interesting to compare the Army M26s sent to Korean to the Marines, since the Marine tanks had been purchased right after WWII and put in storage. I'm sure what little US Army had in funds for spares went to the units in Europe. The stories of the Army having to refurbish Gate Guard Tanks, just goes to show you have close to the bone the Army had been cut by the Truman admin. Korea came just at the right time to show just how unprepared the US Military under Truman was to fight even a minor war. If I recall right, Truman cut the Defense Department back to Pre WWII levels.
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The reliability problems with the Pershing were solved fairly fast from what I've read, and the tanks on the Zebra Mission are not all that different than the ones that served in Korea. The only big item I can think of is the final drive housing braces. The longstanding problem that was never worked out was a bad driver could cause fan belts to pop off. US standards for reliability were so far ahead of the Germans, the M26 would have been considered almost impossibly reliable to them.
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Go fuck yourself. If you think pointing out the Nazi Germans were only truly good at one thing, and that one thing was Mass Murder, has anything to do with politics, you're a strait up Nazi Apologist. Politics and Mass murder are not supposed to mix unless you're a Nazi asshole or a commie. And real smart argument you fucking twat, "hey look, if your going to bring up war crimes about my favorite war time powers, the Nazi, I'll totally own you by bringing up Soviet Atrocities". Here's a clue, no one here admires to soviet union or their war crimes. A few of us are not so shot through with Nazi Propaganda, we can talk about the T-34 and soviet equipment without defending the regime. What's the 88 in your name stand for? Normally I wouldn't suspect the person with 88 in their name of being a Nazi Apologist or worse, but your posts sure warrant it.
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Even this stuff is overblown. Yeah the 262, made it into service, it was trash, and the P-80 and Meteor were better. Granted the P-80 didn't see combat, but that's because the US was taking its time testing it. The Germans put their trash into the sky as soon as it was viable, because they were desperate. They had the Fritz-X we had the BAT. The STG-44 was not very good, was issued with a single magazine and there was a shortage, making it kind of useless. The AK was not based on it. Even so, I guess we can give them a little kudos here for producing a trash Weapon that would have influence on the future. On the HS-293, V1 and V2, they get credit. So that's one and half to far. Not a single tank could make the list of buck rogers like weapons. They had that one stupid sub, that was a good idea, but was so poorly built, like most German stuff, it wasn't really viable. Now, if you really want to talk about where the German of WWII was innovative? Mass Murder. After years of trial and error, they figured out how to murder millions of people and destroy the bodies! They were truly on the cutting edge of mass murder technology! Things they sucked at? Food productions, ships of any kind, logistics and winning wars. Things the Allies do not get credit for that were actually pretty amazing for their time. The US 90mm M1,2, and 3 radar controlled AA guns. The 88 was a trash AA guns, the 90 was very good. The Proximity fuze. Code breaking and useful military intelligence systems. Long range Bombers. Aircraft engines. Sonar and Radar. The Stabilizer system in the Sherman and Lee. Yes the fucking Lee had a stabilizers on BOTH GUNS! Factories with production lines Automated Welders. Also, the Atomic Bomb. And no, the Nazis were not even close. So Nazi Germany gets Rockets and the technology of Mass Murder. The people making excuses for their shitty equipment make themselves look like ignorant twats at best, or a fucking Nazi apologist at worst.
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You sure are sure of yourself for someone who admits to being ignorant. Nearly everything. Do you run around acting like an expert while being an ignorant twat on other subjects? It's mind boggling, or maybe we've just not had an actual boo around here in a while. Between the Panther post on Walt's page, and the other thread here about the Panther, there really is very little excuse for this level of ignorance.
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WOW PANTHER WAY BETTE..... Wait, a boo can't read an Armor chart, who would have known. LOL
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The Ford GAA was so advanced and amazing, the Germans who saw it probably thought space aliens produced it. 1100 cubic inch, all aluminum, 4 valve per cylinder, overhead cam motor, in 1942 was AMAZING technology. And the GAA didn't need to be detuned to be reliable. If the Army had been interested in water cooled motors, they could have gotten much more horsepower out of it too. The Panthers crappy engine had to be detuned to be even remotely reliable.
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That's better than a whole new country, with crews with no skill. Of course that assuming you've done the British stuff. I've gotten to 6.7 ish.
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You left out poorly designed.
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And look at how many of the sources for Walt's post are from Jentz, the Lord God of the boos!
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You're just making stuff up. LOL "radically" different Shermans still interchanged most parts, and the US Army used the M4 and M4A1 until the A3 came along and the M4 and M4A1 are the same tank. Why don't you provide a source for these amazing takes of yours. Did you read up on the T2O series, so you can see how bad your other argument was? You're arguments are such trash, you're trolling us right?
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Dude, that's a really dumb argument, they eventually fixed the T-34 and even made it better. The Panther was such trash, it wasn't fixable, kind of like your argument.
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Jesus, what did they do to they damn thing to make it that heavy after removing the turret and gun, and I assume the retarded turret drive?
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what was the operational weight of a Panther G, and Bergpanther?
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Yeah, the mechanical limit of the gun, usually established on a fixed test mount on a range. The M3 Gun was also 20 RPM, but the recoil mechanism did not fail after a short number of rounds like the Panthers gun.
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Make better arguments, get thicker skin.
