TINDALOS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, DeXM said: I try to "filter" the information as much as my current awareness level allows. I will give an example with a transmission: Yes, I found mention that 99a - three reversing transmission (what I wrote earlier), however, I did not find full-fledged documentary evidence (or I simply did not find the place where This could be done, due to the fact that I still can not fully read in Chinese). Therefore, you have to collect the information "on the grains". P. S. wanted to ask what is the real limit on the length of the UPFSD used for autoloaders 99 and 99a? 740mm from after refinement, as on Soviet and Russian tanks, or will it be the opportunity to use the APFSDS even greater elongation? Also, I would like to ask if there are information about future projectiles that should replace the APFSDS Phase 3 (DTC10-125)? PS: Which means that DTC-10-125 is probably a little bit inferior when comparing its performance with DM53 and 3BM59, while fanboys on weibo, tieba, and other Chinese social medias and forums just brainlessly repeat: "it can penetrate 1000mm of RHA" again and again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, TINDALOS said: PS: Which means that DTC-10-125 is probably a little bit inferior when comparing its performance with DM53 and 3BM59, while fanboys on weibo, tieba, and other Chinese social medias and forums just brainlessly repeat: "it can penetrate 1000mm of RHA" again and again.... I saw photos, and even video with DTC10-125. In my opinion, the projectile is very powerful. If these "measurements" are correct, then, at the initial speed of 1780-1800 meters per second, this shell can already exceed 3BM60 (with its initial flight speed of 1660 meters). So we may expect at least 300mm+/60 Spoiler Spoiler https://disk.yandex.ru/i/Co707emW4YaI4Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 And I would like to clarify whether there is more than one photo? Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 47 minutes ago, DeXM said: So we may expect at least 300mm+/60 in what universe you live ? 634mm core in 654mm round where Svinets is 735mm overall round... it's even shorter that Mango-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Wiedzmin said: in what universe you live ? 634mm core in 654mm round where Svinets is 735mm overall round... it's even shorter that Mango-M Yes, the length confuses me. Nevertheless, I did not find detailed measurements, so I use those data that is. There is also a measure of the APFSDS Phase 2. Looks more real, in my opinion, taking into account photo with both rounds Spoiler Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, DeXM said: And I would like to clarify whether there is more than one photo? Hide contents The article in this photo is a total bullshit written by some high school kiddo, Object 477 himself criticized it HARD. Ask him for detail of the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 hours ago, DeXM said: I saw photos, and even video with DTC10-125. In my opinion, the projectile is very powerful. If these "measurements" are correct, then, at the initial speed of 1780-1800 meters per second, this shell can already exceed 3BM60 (with its initial flight speed of 1660 meters). So we may expect at least 300mm+/60 Hide contents Hide contents https://disk.yandex.ru/i/Co707emW4YaI4Q yes, official data is 680mm RHA pen. And also, DTC-10-125 does not have a ballistic cap (similar to DM53 and M829A3/4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 hours ago, DeXM said: And I would like to clarify whether there is more than one photo? Hide contents In the bullshitery article, the description below reads "This is the UFP of VT4". Howecer, it is in fact VT-4's turret armour module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 12 hours ago, SuperComrade said: I wonder if the Chinese intend to transition towards bustle-style autoloaders like the West or are they satisfied with the carousel autoloaders? For now, it is bustle for 15 (with a 105 gun) and carousel for 96/99. In the near future? Probably something similar to the T-14, umanned turret plus carousel I guess. SuperComrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 5 hours ago, DeXM said: And I would like to clarify whether there is more than one photo? Reveal hidden contents The article in the picture is a perfect example on why most of the contents on various Chinese defence related magazines are pure garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 13 hours ago, SuperComrade said: I wonder if the Chinese intend to transition towards bustle-style autoloaders like the West or are they satisfied with the carousel autoloaders? Of all the western tanks only Leclerc has bustle autoloader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Some consider the K2, Type 90 and Type 10 as "western" If not geographically rather in design philosophy. (That and various prototype that never entered service, or some early cold war vehicles) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 hours ago, TINDALOS said: The article in this photo is a total bullshit written by some high school kiddo, Object 477 himself criticized it HARD. Ask him for detail of the whole thing. 6 hours ago, TINDALOS said: In the bullshitery article, the description below reads "This is the UFP of VT4". Howecer, it is in fact VT-4's turret armour module. 4 hours ago, TINDALOS said: The article in the picture is a perfect example on why most of the contents on various Chinese defence related magazines are pure garbage. Thanks for clarifying the situationI'll try to find out more details and information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Beer said: Of all the western tanks only Leclerc has bustle autoloader. Well, Leclerc is the only Western main battle tank with an autoloader in service, I think? Though the experimental designs like the 140 mm CATTB and Leo 2s had bustle autoloaders too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 19 hours ago, DeXM said: Yes, the length confuses me. Nevertheless, I did not find detailed measurements, so I use those data that is. There is also a measure of the APFSDS Phase 2. Looks more real, in my opinion, taking into account photo with both rounds Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents All variant of 96 and 99 still retains that old autoloader, DTC-10-125 is the best thing they can get with the projectile length limitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 13 hours ago, TINDALOS said: All variant of 96 and 99 still retains that old autoloader, DTC-10-125 is the best thing they can get with the projectile length limitation. Are there any perspective APFSDS development processes?Also found video from VT, but on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military Spoiler Also found video from W, but, alas, on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military I found some comparison for BM Oplot and VT-4. It says about CH1000B transmisson. Spoiler Previosly, I saw some photos Spoiler Spoiler So, it says about CH1000B too.Is it possible that the difference between the CH1000 (99a) from the CH1000B (vT4) is that on 99A (presumably, since I still did not find documentary evidence or video with a demonstration) - three reverse speeds transmission, unlike two at VT? And I'd like to clarify if theres full video of this screenshot? Spoiler P.S. And I found original, 12:20, It's clearly seen Spoiler https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bx411U7Rb?from=search&seid=13623024917729722335 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 8 hours ago, DeXM said: Are there any perspective APFSDS development processes?Also found video from VT, but on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military Hide contents Also found video from W, but, alas, on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military I found some comparison for BM Oplot and VT-4. It says about CH1000B transmisson. Hide contents Previosly, I saw some photos Hide contents Hide contents So, it says about CH1000B too.Is it possible that the difference between the CH1000 (99a) from the CH1000B (vT4) is that on 99A (presumably, since I still did not find documentary evidence or video with a demonstration) - three reverse speeds transmission, unlike two at VT? And I'd like to clarify if theres full video of this screenshot? Hide contents P.S. And I found original, 12:20, It's clearly seen Reveal hidden contents https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bx411U7Rb?from=search&seid=13623024917729722335 Sorry I don't know much about transmission. The comparison graph you posted is from Object 477, I can upload the full graph if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 8 hours ago, DeXM said: Are there any perspective APFSDS development processes?Also found video from VT, but on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military Reveal hidden contents Also found video from W, but, alas, on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military I found some comparison for BM Oplot and VT-4. It says about CH1000B transmisson. Hide contents Previosly, I saw some photos Reveal hidden contents Hide contents So, it says about CH1000B too.Is it possible that the difference between the CH1000 (99a) from the CH1000B (vT4) is that on 99A (presumably, since I still did not find documentary evidence or video with a demonstration) - three reverse speeds transmission, unlike two at VT? And I'd like to clarify if theres full video of this screenshot? Hide contents P.S. And I found original, 12:20, It's clearly seen Reveal hidden contents https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bx411U7Rb?from=search&seid=13623024917729722335 So from what I know, CH1000 and CH1000B all have the same number of reverse gears, the difference is that CH1000 requires manual gear shifting while CH1000B has an more advanced automatic gear shifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 Here is a photo of 99A prototype (the official name for this prototype is WZ123B) in 00s. It was based on a ZTZ-99's chassis while have a brand new fully welded turret (which eventually became the production model's turret) and new 125/L52 main gun (this experimental variant of long barrel 125 gun never went into actual production because there are some issues regarding its barrel life and quality control). https://ibb.co/MRWZgGN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 9 hours ago, TINDALOS said: Sorry I don't know much about transmission. The comparison graph you posted is from Object 477, I can upload the full graph if you want. It seems that I will need to try to contact the object-477. Is it possible to contact him? Perhaps he has documentary evidence? I have a full version, just cut out this paragraph to do more clearly. 9 hours ago, TINDALOS said: So from what I know, CH1000 and CH1000B all have the same number of reverse gears, the difference is that CH1000 requires manual gear shifting while CH1000B has an more advanced automatic gear shifting. Are there any documentary confirmation? Just in all sources that I found about CH1000 (99A) it was argued that the gear of the reverse - 3, but for some serious documentary evidence, I did not find it (and I'm not sure if they were in public domain) P.S. Sorry, I forgot to place link to the video From 12:20 Spoiler https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bx411U7Rb?from=search&seid=13623024917729722335 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, DeXM said: It seems that I will need to try to contact the object-477. Is it possible to contact him? Perhaps he has documentary evidence? I have a full version, just cut out this paragraph to do more clearly. Are there any documentary confirmation? Just in all sources that I found about CH1000 (99A) it was argued that the gear of the reverse - 3, but for some serious documentary evidence, I did not find it (and I'm not sure if they were in public domain) P.S. Sorry, I forgot to place link to the video From 12:20 Hide contents https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bx411U7Rb?from=search&seid=13623024917729722335 Nope, it is from the memory of some former tankers, so take it with a grain of salt I guess? Object 477 is on SH, you can contact him directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeXM Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, TINDALOS said: Nope, it is from the memory of some former tankers, so take it with a grain of salt I guess? Object 477 is on SH, you can contact him directly. Spoiler Perhaps I'm looking for not where it is necessary (still not used to SH), but on the SH is Molota_477? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINDALOS Posted July 24, 2021 Report Share Posted July 24, 2021 5 hours ago, DeXM said: Hide contents Perhaps I'm looking for not where it is necessary (still not used to SH), but on the SH is Molota_477? Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Russian team learns Chinese 8x8s for joint exercises. Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 More footage of Russian crews learning chinese 8x8s. Gun carrier with main gun jumping around can be crew mistake or mulfunction of some sorts. Lord_James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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