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Rooivalk! Aren't there only like 12 of those?

Pretty much. I mentioned this earlier, but word on the street is that Denel is scrambling to start the line back up again - having got the first ever foreign order.

 

So there might be a few more on the way at some point in the near future.

 

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Also, analysis:

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/what-went-wrong-with-the-rooivalk-2007-06-08-1

 

And the good news:

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/new-generation-denel-rooivalk-attack-helicopter-under-consideration-2015-07-23

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42356:feature-denel-pushing-rooivalk-mk-2-export-orders&catid=124:military-helicopters

http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/2016/01/21/developing-the-rooivalk-mk2-would-tick-many-vital-boxes

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Does anyone even know what makes for a good attack helicopter?  I don't think there have been any conflicts where the things have been used as intended; as tank-busters.  Ethiopian-Eritrean war maybe.  I know there was some use in GW1 knocking out radar stations, but I don't recall them busting up vehicles much.  Also, GW1 is of limited instructive value since the enemy didn't really fight back.

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Does anyone even know what makes for a good attack helicopter?  I don't think there have been any conflicts where the things have been used as intended; as tank-busters.  Ethiopian-Eritrean war maybe.  I know there was some use in GW1 knocking out radar stations, but I don't recall them busting up vehicles much.  Also, GW1 is of limited instructive value since the enemy didn't really fight back.

Only NATO ever really intended them to be specialist tank-busters though.

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How about something that can carry Hellfires or Vikhirs, for a start?

Mokopa not good enough for you, eh?

 

But seriously, what is your working definition of an attack helicopter?

Mine is something along the lines of 'rotary which close air support' - which implies that the aircraft must be rugged, easy to forward-base, with good endurance, decent optics/communication and the ability to dish out/take punishment to and from a wide variety of things. 

 

By this metric the Rooivalk is fine, and the Tiger is shit.

 

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Hell, the OH-58D could provide close air and anti-armor support, had seriously good optics and communications, and could operate from a postage stamp in the woods.  

The SANDF made pretty good use of Alouette IIIs with 20mm guns as gunships.

 

One of the old salts I used to work with swore that a few even managed to kill a Hind in Angola by baiting the area with a burning oil drum and then jumping the Hind as it came in to investigate.

 

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The SANDF made pretty good use of Alouette IIIs with 20mm guns as gunships.

 

One of the old salts I used to work with swore that a few even managed to kill a Hind in Angola by baiting the area with a burning oil drum and then jumping the Hind as it came in to investigate.

 

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Alouette IIIs, the Olifant menace of the skies in South Effrica.

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I saw pilots squeeze those little Kiowas into places that would amaze me every time they landed. I was on an OP once that had barely enough room for my humvee and a camo net. Pilot managed to set the thing down in between my truck and a grove a pine trees that seem to only a few inches of clearance for the rotors. 

The data set for that little helicopter was pretty impressive for its time. 
 

Crew 2 pilots Height 12 feet 10.6 inches Length 41 feet 2.4 inches Rotor diameter 35 feet Maximum gross weight 4,500 pounds (unarmed);
5,500 pounds (armed) Maximum airspeed 125 KIAS Cruise airspeed 80 KIAS Endurance 2 hours Cargo hook capacity 2,000 pounds Litter capacity 4 (externally) Troop-carrying capacity 6 (externally). Avionics
  • Data transfer system ground station, data transfer module, data transfer receptacle in the aircraft.
  • Video tape recorder records up to 2 hours of copilot's MFD.
  • ANVIS display symbology system provides basic flight information.
Mast-mounted sight
  • Thermal imaging sensor.
  • Television sensor.
  • Laser range finder/designator.
  • Optical boresight system.
Weapons
  • .50-caliber heavy machine gun.
  • 70-millimeter folding fin aerial rocket.
  • Air-to-air Stinger missile.
  • Hellfire modular missile system.

     

Communication equipment
  • Two VHF-FM AN/ARC-186 or AN/ARC-201 SINCGARS.
  • One UHF AN/ARC-164 Have Quick.
  • One VHF-AM AN/ARC-186.
  • Two TSEC/KY-58.
  • HF capable (radio not installed).
  • TSEC/KY-75 (device not installed).
  • Retransmission capabilities.
  • FM homing (AN/ARC-186 only).
  • Airborne target handover system (digital communications).
Navigation equipment
  • Attitude and heading reference system (Litton LR-80 Inertial).
  • AN/ASN-137 doppler.
  • AN/ASN-43 directional gyro.
Aircraft survivability equipment
  • AN/APX-100 IFF.
  • AN/ALQ-144 IR jammer.
  • AN/APR-39A radar warning receiver.
  • AN/APR-44(V)3 radar warning receiver.
  • AN/AVR-2 laser detecting set.
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I saw pilots squeeze those little Kiowas into places that would amaze me every time they landed. I was on an OP once that had barely enough room for my humvee and a camo net. Pilot managed to set the thing down in between my truck and a grove a pine trees that seem to only a few inches of clearance for the rotors.

The data set for that little helicopter was pretty impressive for its time.

Crew 2 pilots Height 12 feet 10.6 inches Length 41 feet 2.4 inches Rotor diameter 35 feet Maximum gross weight 4,500 pounds (unarmed);

5,500 pounds (armed) Maximum airspeed 125 KIAS Cruise airspeed 80 KIAS Endurance 2 hours Cargo hook capacity 2,000 pounds Litter capacity 4 (externally) Troop-carrying capacity 6 (externally). Avionics

  • Data transfer system ground station, data transfer module, data transfer receptacle in the aircraft.
  • Video tape recorder records up to 2 hours of copilot's MFD.
  • ANVIS display symbology system provides basic flight information.
Mast-mounted sight
  • Thermal imaging sensor.
  • Television sensor.
  • Laser range finder/designator.
  • Optical boresight system.
Weapons
  • .50-caliber heavy machine gun.
  • 70-millimeter folding fin aerial rocket.
  • Air-to-air Stinger missile.
  • Hellfire modular missile system.
Communication equipment
  • Two VHF-FM AN/ARC-186 or AN/ARC-201 SINCGARS.
  • One UHF AN/ARC-164 Have Quick.
  • One VHF-AM AN/ARC-186.
  • Two TSEC/KY-58.
  • HF capable (radio not installed).
  • TSEC/KY-75 (device not installed).
  • Retransmission capabilities.
  • FM homing (AN/ARC-186 only).
  • Airborne target handover system (digital communications).
Navigation equipment
  • Attitude and heading reference system (Litton LR-80 Inertial).
  • AN/ASN-137 doppler.
  • AN/ASN-43 directional gyro.
Aircraft survivability equipment
  • AN/APX-100 IFF.
  • AN/ALQ-144 IR jammer.
  • AN/APR-39A radar warning receiver.
  • AN/APR-44(V)3 radar warning receiver.
  • AN/AVR-2 laser detecting set.

Above all things, a helicopter should be there. Having something, anything with a gun and radio on board overhead is a huge deal.

That said, my feeling is that a true attack helo needs to be able to survive some fire as well as laying it down. By that metric the scouts (amazing though they are) are not quite there.

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I sort of like to put attack helos in 3 general categories (I could do more, but fuck that shit, too many), which are either.

 

Light, small recon helos more for scouting and light fire support then anything (WZ-11, WZ-19, AH-6M Little Bird, Gazelle)

 

Actual dedicated gunships (AH-64E Apache, Mi-28 Havoc, WZ-10, Ka-50/52, AH-1Z Viper, SOUTH EFFRICAN ROOIVALK)

 

and Durable transports, purpose built or not that also fill a fire support/attack role. (Mi-24 Hind, various MH-60 variants, more Huey/Venom attack variants then god himself could count, )

 

I'm sure someone could do a better one, but yeah.

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I wonder why they placed the pod under the chin of the helicopter as opposed to the mast mounted type on the OH-58D. They could mask that helicopter pretty well and only expose that ball above the treeline. It was incredibly hard to see. 

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Mokopa not good enough for you, eh?

But seriously, what is your working definition of an attack helicopter?

Mine is something along the lines of 'rotary which close air support' - which implies that the aircraft must be rugged, easy to forward-base, with good endurance, decent optics/communication and the ability to dish out/take punishment to and from a wide variety of things.

By this metric the Rooivalk is fine, and the Tiger is shit.

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I am under the impression that the Rooi cannot actually launch the Mokopa (yet). Is that false?

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