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Object 326 SPG (Unofficial name - "Shayba"), was an initiative development by DB. 46 rounds, "double stack" in circular autoloader, crew in hull compartment outside of "turret". The gun, ammunition ra

2S18 Pat-S, an experimental precursor to the 2S31.  Armament was a SA61 152mm howitzer.    

New Japanese 155 mm SPG    


Forsvarets K9 Thunder are soon ready: Here is the Norwegian artillery vehicle


                                                                                                    The two first vehicles should be built in march.



K9 Thunder is the name of the artillery that will replace Norway's 50 year old M109-artillery.

It is produced in South Korea, a country which other parts of Forsvaret and Norwegian petroleum industry has had mix experience with.

Therefor it is comforting to hear that the factory is en route with the Norwegian artillery delivery. 


It is Forsvarets Forum which has visited the factory of Hanwha Land Systems in Changwon, just west of Busan. I a airline this is just 40 kilometers north of DSME-shipyard which used two years and two months more than promised to complete the Logistics vessel, KNM "Maud"

_DSC4909.330x220.jpg Here the turret of the Norwegian artillery vehicle is welded.Foto: Ylva Seiff Berge/Forsvarets forum

But with Hanwha there is obviously better control:

– The two first vehicles will be ready by the end of march. We are en route, we have been there the entire time, says quality director Kyeong Wook-Lim in Hanwha Land Systems to Forsvarets Forum.

Four days before christmas in 2017, forsvarsmateriell (FMA) made in public that Hanwha had won the norwegian artillery competition. 

A contract was signed for 24 K9-artillery with 6 K10 ammuntion carriers. In addition, there is a agreement for 24 more artillery systems at a later date. The project total cost is about 3,2 billion NOK.

There is one K9- and K10 ready in about a month to start factory testing, which is estimated to take half a year. Both will be delivered to Norway by Barbromesse 4. December (Sankta Barbara is the artillery corps shooting weekend).

K9%20Thunder%201.330x186.jpg K9 Thunder on a visit in region eastland field, 3 years ago. Bilde: Simen Rudi/ Forsvarsmateriell

South Korea has license produced american artillery of the type M109 and the MBT of the type M1 from 1990 to 2000 century. They designed a new artillery and MBTs from a blank slate: K9 Thunder and K2 Black Panther which are built by Hanwha and Hyundai Rotem. 

- Even the barrel on the K9 is newly developed, and is built to NATO standard, like the Koreans usually do. The Korean army is anyways a very though customer with high life time requirements. The artillery system is 20% overbuilt to be sure tjat nothing goes wrong when it is operated by conscripts, has Mognes Rasmus Mogensen i Military Equipment Denmark (MED), which are both companies represented in Norway, earlier told Teknisk Ukeblad. 

New Ammuntion

The artillery will replace the M109 which came to Norway in 1969. K9 Thunder made a good figure at the training grounds by Rena, 3 years ago. Here, four candidates were invited to do tests in the Norwegian winter environment. FMA picked the artillery system which had the highest grade of off the shelf performance and thereby the lowest risk. It was therefor K9 from Hanwha Land Systems (former Hanwha Techwin/Samsung).

Finland was a observer during the testing and went straight after in between state negotiations with South Korea which ended with them buying 48 used K9 vehicles. Both the Finnish and Norwegian vehicles will have ICS (Integrated combat systems) from Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace. 

k10_slide_img1.330x174.jpg This is what the finished vehicle looks like. Foto: Hanwha Land Systems

The ammunition carrier is named the K10 and is built on the same platform as the K9. Therefor it has the same mobility. It can carry 104 shells and automatically transfer 12 shells per minute to the artillery vehicle without the personnel having to expose themselves.

The K9 Thunder has a capacity to send 3 shot in 13 seconds which hit at the same time (MRSI, "Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact"), or 6 to 8 shots per minute. For continues fire over an hour, it can manage 2-3 rounds per minute. 

2019-02-14_104428.670x171.jpg  Foto: Hanwha Land Systems

A new thing for Forsvaret, is the canon with a two meter longer barrel(L/52 instead of L/39 on the current M109) and a bigger muzzle velocity. In parallel, NAMMO's new shells, which are named 155 mm IM HE-ER ("Insensitive Munition, High explosive, Extended Range") is bought. This ammunition has a range of over 40 kilometers with a very low spread. 

NAMMO is also working on a "Extreme range" ammunition which will be ready in four to five years. Here it is talked about a guided shell with the help of a ramjet engine which can hit a target at 150 kilometers away.





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At the IDEX-2019, held from 17 to 21 February 2019 in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the Serbian military-industrial association "Jugoimport-SDPR" presented for the first time a tactical (anti-tank) missile system RALAS, which is a lightweight and cheaper a version of the well-known ALAS (Advanced Light Attack System) missile system, which is being developed in Serbia and guided through fiber-optic cable. It is stated that the RALAS complex has already successfully passed field tests.





   Unlike the ALAS missile, equipped with a compact turbojet engine, similar in design but the smaller RALAS rocket uses a simple single-stage solid fuel engine, which resulted in a reduction in the maximum firing range from 25 to 10 km. The control system includes an thermal imager optic mounted on the rocket or (at the customer's request) a cheap day-time television camera with image transmission and control commands via an optical fiber cable, as well as an inertial-satellite correction unit with an autopilot (allowing the rocket to be automatically brought to a predetermined point, where command guidance can be started). The range of guidance from the camera of the rocket reaches 8 km. Guidance is carried out from a portable control station, the software allows the operator to continue tracking even a hiding target (for example, behind buildings) after the target is captured.





   The RALAS missile can be equipped with a HEAT or thermobaric warhead. In the IDEX-2019 exposition, the system was presented with an eight-container self-propelled launcher deployed on the basis of a new Serbian Lazar 3 armored personnel carrier with an 8x8 wheel formula. It is stated that launchers can be created on any land or surface platform.

   The ALAS base complex was developed in Serbia since the 1990s, but was brought to a combat-ready state only after signing by Jugoimport-SDPR in February 2013 at IDEX-2013 an agreement with UAE Emirates Advanced Research and Technology Holding (EARTH) regarding joint development and production of ALAS, the total cost of UAE investment in the program was to be $ 220 million.









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On 2/18/2019 at 3:42 AM, Ramlaen said:



   Chassis they chosen for those systems is not exactly good.


   Ol'kha and Neptune chassis could not reach the shooting groud on their own.

   Ukrainian radar Amber-1800 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was mounted on the KrAZ-7634NE chassis and it was spotted on the latest exercises of the Ukrainian air defense, as it turned out, it managed to go only 200 kilometers (out of 500) to the training ground after which it had to be towed due to breakage suspension.












I'm not sure about weight balance of those set ups either (especially when fully loaded).




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