General artillery, SPGs, MLRS and long range ATGMs thread.

[LoooSeR]

Msta-S and TOS-1

 

[Bronezhilet]

Speaking of ramjets and artillery, you can always depend on the South Africans to beat you to it:

155mm PRORAM

 

ERFB = Extended Range Full Bore

ERFB-BB = Extended Range Full Bore - Base Burn (everybody who says its base bleed can sod off)

VLAP = Velocity-Enhanced Long Range Artillery Projectile

 

Basically:
ERFB = non assisted projectile

ERFB-BB = base burn assisted

VLAP = base burn and rocket assisted

PRORAM = ramjet assisted

 

This is from 2004.

[SH_MM]

Ramjets have been fitted to artillery shells since the 1930s, it's nothing new.

[Bronezhilet]

Except for the part where we haven't been doing that.

[SH_MM]

It has been done, they just never entered service... just as the South-African ramjet artillery shell has not been adopted in military service. In fact old, early patents from 1915 (see Albert Fonó) were focused on the application of ramjets for artillery shells.

[Bronezhilet]

That's one example that didn't even pass the design stage. Aside from PRORAM and this Korean design it's the only ramjet assisted artillery shell I have been able to find.

 

There's a ramjet assisted 125mm APFS shell and a ramjet assisted 30 mm inert shell, and that's about it for ramjet assisted shells.

 

So for as far as I know there's a drawing from 1915, an APFS shell from 1976, a 30 mm from the 2000s and two 155mms from the 2000s. And except for the crude drawing from 1915 and possibly the APFS shell, all the others are purpose built ramjet designs. You can't even simply fit a ramjet to an artillery shell because the nose design for a ramjet assisted shell is different from a non-ramjet assisted shell because of the required inlet geometry, among other things.

[SH_MM]

That's one example that didn't even pass the design stage. Aside from PRORAM and this Korean design it's the only ramjet assisted artillery shell I have been able to find.

 

There's a ramjet assisted 125mm APFS shell and a ramjet assisted 30 mm inert shell, and that's about it for ramjet assisted shells.

 

So for as far as I know there's a drawing from 1915, an APFS shell from 1976, a 30 mm from the 2000s and two 155mms from the 2000s. And except for the crude drawing from 1915 and possibly the APFS shell, all the others are purpose built ramjet designs. You can't even simply fit a ramjet to an artillery shell because the nose design for a ramjet assisted shell is different from a non-ramjet assisted shell because of the required inlet geometry, among other things.

 

There have been numerous design and development programs for ramjet artillery shells in the past decades. There is at least dozen different patents from the 1970s and 1980s on this matter - some from indivudials, others made by defense companies/organizations such as Rheinmetall, United Technologies, Daimler-Benz Aerospace and even the United States Army. The US military did test ramjets in the 1930s and 1940s.

 

Professor W. Trommsdorf developed a ramjet engine in 1935 and was subsequently funded by Nazi-Germany to develop artillery ammunition and rockets using his engines. This is the first piece of ramjet artillery ammunition that I can say for sure was developed further than just paper designs.

 

 

The artillery ammunition supposedly had a calibre of 150 to 280 mm and (sometimes?) used a sabot. Muzzle velocity was 1,000 to 1,200 m/s and maximum range 180 to 400 kilometres. Some sources suggest that after the war the Soviets kept using Trommsdorf's designs for their own research program (in the 280 or 283 mm calibre for ultra-heavy artillery). Russian sources claim that the local development of ramjet artillery ammunition was initiated in 1933, the first successful test was in 1942.

 

Using ramjets or scramjets for artillery is nothing new, but to this day everyone has found a cheaper or better alternative instead of extremely reducing the projectile payload to fit in a ramjet engine. But then again, people insist to pretend that active protection systems are "the latest shits" despite the first successfull tests against RPGs and ATGMs (that I am aware of) happening in 1967...

 

Btw: after the war, W. Trommsdorf kept working for Rheinmetall and patented a further ramjet artillery projectile (for Rheinmetall) in the 1970s.

[Bronezhilet]

Huh, I honestly did not know that. Interesting stuff!

[Walter_Sobchak]

In case any of our Canadian members want to get a LAV III as a lawn ornament...

 

LAV III Monument Program

[LoooSeR]

Chinese ground-to-ground missiles and rockets at Army 2016.

WS-33

 

 

 

WS-22

 

 

 

 

WS-43

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

Uragan-1M MLRS accepted for service in RuGF, as told Yuri Borisov (MoD official) to journalists.

[LoooSeR]

G6 SPGs during trials

[LoooSeR]

Armenia received Iskander-Es 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

Iskander-M at Army 2016.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

The Turkish company Roketsan has completed the delivery of their MLRS T-300 Kasirga to Azerbaijan

 

   Azerbaijan and Turkey signed a contract for the purchase of 21 units of T-300 MLRS Kasirga in 2013. MLRS T-300 Kasirga for the Azerbaijani Army were installed on the chassis of Russian Kamaz trucks (KAMAZ-63502).

   Each missile is 524 kg, with 150 kg warhead, no sophisticated guidance system.

[LoooSeR]

Grads firing during Army 2016

[LoooSeR]

Even more from Army 2016:

 

 

300mm caliber Smerch MLRS

 

[Belesarius]

http://www.janes.com/article/64044/armenian-parade-reveals-iskander-ballistic-missiles

 

 

Confirmation of LoooSers post from the 19th.

[DogDodger]

Yikes, these rockets came from the same launcher?

[Mighty_Zuk]

IIRC Grads are meant to be aerodynamically unstable to cover a large area in several volleys.

 

Could be wrong though.

[LoooSeR]

http://www.janes.com/article/64044/armenian-parade-reveals-iskander-ballistic-missiles

 

 

Confirmation of LoooSers post from the 19th.

   It is possible that our side tryies to stabilize Armenian\Azerbaijan conflict, Iskander-E, even with decreased range compared to Iskander, have ability to strikes targets near Azerbaijan capital and the capital itself (from NKR).

[LoooSeR]

Nippon's army M110 203mm howitzer/cannon

[LoooSeR]

Modernized Msta-S SPGs with Glonass navigation system

 

2S3 Akatsiya

[LoooSeR]

Uragans firing

[LoooSeR]

Type 83 (PLZ 83) 152 mm SPG